Trigonometry reflection problem

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The discussion revolves around a trigonometry reflection problem involving the equation α = 60° + (1/3) arcsin((1/1.33) sin(α)). Participants explore methods to solve for α, discussing both algebraic and numerical approaches.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the equation has no algebraic solution and recommends using approximation methods, such as those available on Wolfram Alpha.
  • Another participant describes a step-by-step algebraic approach to derive a cubic equation from the original equation, leading to potential solutions for α.
  • A later reply points out a potential error in the previous participant's reasoning regarding the creation of an extra solution when manipulating the equation.
  • Participants acknowledge the need to check the validity of the solutions derived and highlight an additional condition for the variable a.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method to solve the problem, with some favoring algebraic manipulation while others suggest numerical approximation. Disagreements arise regarding the validity of certain solutions and the conditions under which they hold.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions made during the algebraic manipulation, particularly concerning the arguments of the sine function and the conditions for valid solutions.

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Hi,

I was about solving a refrection problem and I'm just one step away from the solution. I stuck at some simple problem I guess.

I have:

\alpha=60°+\frac1 3 arcsin(\frac1 {1,33} sin(\alpha))

and I want to find the alpha but I have troubles to solve this.

I guess it's not that hard, but I'm failing right now :blushing:

Thanks for your help in advance
 
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Hi Lindsayyyy! :smile:

The problem you have here has afaik no algebraic solution.
If that is what you're looking for, you won't find it.

What you can do, of course, is make an approximation.
That's easy with for instance http://wolframalpha.com.

Cheers! :smile:
 
Hhhmm...I gave it a try, and I solved by hand pretty easily.

This was my approach:

Multiply both side of the equation by 3, to eliminate the 3 in the denominator.
Move the 180 from the righ to the left
take the sine of both sides of the equation
you should have

sin(3a - 180) = sin( arcsin( (1/1.33) sin(a) ) )

but the sin(p-180) = -sin(p)

-sin(3a) = sin( arcsin( (1/1.33) sin(a) ) )

and the sin ( arcsin(x) ) = x

-sin(3a) = (1/1.33) sin(a)

and sin(3a) = 3sin(a) - 4(sin(a))^3

-3sin(a) + 4(sin(a))^3 = (1/1.33)sin(a)

put everything on one side of the equation and you have a cubic equation without a quadratic or constant term:

4(sin(a))^3 - (3 + 1/1.33)sin(a) = 0

Now, we simply say

X = sin(a)
A = 4
C = -(3 + 1/1.33)

and we have

AX^3 + CX = 0

or, if we factor one X out:

X ( AX^2 + C ) = 0

So, one solution is X1 = zero, due to the single X...now, we need to solve the roots of the quadratic equation with no B term:

X2 = +sqrt ( -C/A ) = 0.9685
X3 = -sqrt ( -C/A ) = -0.9685

So, from X = sin(a)

a = arcsin(X)
a1 = arcsin(0) = 0 degrees
a2 = arcsin(0.9685) = 75.578 degrees
a3 = arcsin(-0.9685) = -75.578 degrees

and that's it.
 
You still need to check if the solutions work.

You created an extra solution when you replaced

3a - 180 = arcsin( (1/1.33) sin(a) ) with

sin(3a - 180) = sin(arcsin( (1/1.33) sin(a) ))
 
gsal said:
Hhhmm...I gave it a try, and I solved by hand pretty easily.

Awww! You're right.
I made a mistake in my calculation and came out with sine's with different arguments that could not be made equal.
Good catch! :smile:

willem2 said:
You created an extra solution when you replaced ...

Yes. That is right too...

There is an extra condition that -90 < 3a - 180 ≤ 90.
That is, 30 < a ≤ 90.Cheers! :smile:
 
Thank you very much for help. Nice approach @ gsal, this helped me a lot.:approve:
 

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