Trisectible angles | divisibility

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The discussion revolves around the constructibility of angles using straightedge and compass, specifically focusing on trisectible angles and the implications of constructibility in relation to integer divisibility. Participants explore whether certain conditions lead to conclusions about angle construction and the validity of mathematical implications involving integers.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the constructibility of an angle and its trisectibility, questioning if the constructibility of \(\theta/3\) implies that \(\theta\) is trisectible. They also explore implications related to integer divisibility and seek clarification on whether certain mathematical statements hold true.

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There is active engagement with multiple interpretations being explored, particularly regarding the implications of constructibility and divisibility. Some participants express uncertainty about the validity of the implications presented, while others offer hints and guidance on related geometric concepts.

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Participants are navigating complex mathematical concepts without full consensus on the implications discussed. There are indications of missing information or assumptions that could affect the validity of the statements being analyzed.

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1) We know that if \theta is trisectible (with straightedge and compass), then \theta/3 is constructible.

But is it also true that if \theta/3 is constructible, then \theta is trisectible (with straightedge and compass)?

If so, then I can say that since 15o is constructible, we have that 45 o is trisectible, right? (because we can copy an angle of 15o three times, thus trisecting the angle 45 o)


2) Let m,n be integers.
Then m|3n3 =>[/color] m|n
and n|28n3 =>[/color] n|m

I spent half an hour thinking about this, but I still have no clue...
Why are the implications (=>[/color]) true? Can someone please explain?


3) How can I prove that the acute angle whose cosine is 1/10 is constructible?
I know that if \theta is constructible, then cos\theta is constructible. But is the converse true? Why or why not?

Any help is appreciated!:smile:
 
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For 1) your logic seems right. For 2), I don't see how the statements are true--are there any other qualifying statements? For example, in the first case, what if m = n2? Or what if m = 3 and n = 2?
 
1) So is it true that \theta is trisectible (with straightedge and compass) IF AND ONLY IF \theta/3 is constructible (with straightedge and compass)?

2) The whole situtation is this:
http://www.geocities.com/asdfasdf23135/absmath1.jpg
I circled the parts in red which corresopnds to what I've included in my top post.
I don't understand why:
m|3n3 => m|n
and n|28n3 => n|m
where m,n are integers.



Can anyone help?
 
Can someone please help me with Q3 as well?

I am sure someone here understands it. Please help!
 
Still wondering...
 
Isn't your first question essentially, "Can you construct an integer multiple of a constructable angle?" Well...can you?
 
1) I think that if \theta/3 is constructible, then we can trisect \theta with straightedge and compass by copying the angle \theta/3 two times (since we can always copy any angle with straightedge and compass)
 
… cos^-1 of constructible number is constructible angle …

kingwinner said:
3) How can I prove that the acute angle whose cosine is 1/10 is constructible?

Hi kingwinner! :smile:

Any angle whose cosine is a constructible number between -1 and 1 (like 4/5 or 1/√2) is constructible!

Hint: draw a circle. Draw one radius. Mark 1/10 along that radius. And then … ? :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi kingwinner! :smile:

Any angle whose cosine is a constructible number between -1 and 1 (like 4/5 or 1/√2) is constructible!

Hint: draw a circle. Draw one radius. Mark 1/10 along that radius. And then … ? :smile:

And then erect a pernpendicular at that point to consturuct the angle? (since on the unit circle, x=cos(theta), where theta is counterclockwise from positive x-axis)
 
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Yes! :smile:

(… why only three question marks? …)
 
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3) So we have theta constructible if and only if cos(theta) is constructible


2) Let m,n be integers
m|3n3 => m|n
and n|28n3 => n|m
Do you think these are actually wrong implications? (i.e. whoever was writing the solutions got it wrong...)
 
  • #12
Without additional assumptions on m and n, the implications aren't true...
 

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