Troubleshooting Clutch Torque Calculation Errors for Scientists

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around troubleshooting errors in calculating clutch torque output, focusing on the application of formulas involving force, gyration radius, and coefficient of friction. Participants explore the implications of using different units (metric vs. imperial) and the potential sources of calculation errors.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a formula for calculating clutch torque but expresses confusion over the results obtained, questioning whether the use of kilograms instead of Newtons is the source of error.
  • Another participant requests clarification on the origin of the force value in kilograms, questioning if kilograms is an appropriate unit for force.
  • A different participant suggests that the kilogram rating is an industry standard for pressure plate clamp load, providing context for the force value used.
  • Another participant indicates that they arrive at different torque values in both SI and imperial units, suggesting that the original poster may have made calculation errors and encourages showing all working for clarity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of the original calculation or the appropriateness of the units used. Multiple competing views regarding the calculation methods and units remain present.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the proper use of units in the calculations and the assumptions underlying the force values provided. The discussion highlights the need for clarity in unit consistency and calculation steps.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in mechanical engineering, automotive design, or those involved in clutch system calculations may find this discussion relevant.

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Hi, first time poster.

I'm trying to calculate the clutch torque output using the following formula:
torque = force (450KG ((pressure plate calculated force) x gyration radius ( 0.09 Metres (( square root of inner radius squared x outer radius squared divided by 2) x coefficient of friction ( .30) x 2 (number of surfaces.

When i do the calculation the answer I get is 83.4- this has to be wrong. If i do the same calculation but with imperial values ( 950lb x 0.3 ft x 0.3 CF x 2 surfaces) I get 142ft lb, which equals 192Nm.

Is my error using kg when i should be using Newtons? If so, I'm still baffled as to how to solve this. Apologies if this is a basic question.

Thanks in advance for any help.
 
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Please use the homework template, it makes it much easier to help.

confused2016 said:
force (450KG ((pressure plate calculated force)
Where did this come from? Is kg a unit of force?
 
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I believe that to Kg rating is a industry standard for Pressure plate Clamp load. I've seen it quoted that 950Lbs (430Kg) is a rough guideline for a 10" (254mm) clutch disc
 
I get the same answer in SI and imperial and neither match yours, I'd guess you've made some calculation errors.
You can use any units you like, as long as you are consistent the answers will always be right.

Show all your working with all units, so we can see where you went wrong.
 

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