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This discussion clarifies the relationship between temperature and entropy in thermodynamics, emphasizing that when energy is condensed into a point, the temperature is very high while entropy remains low. Conversely, when energy is dispersed, the temperature approaches zero and entropy increases significantly. The conversation highlights the distinction between extensive quantities, such as entropy and energy, which increase with system size, and intensive quantities, like temperature and pressure, which do not. This understanding aligns with the principles of the Second Law of Thermodynamics, confirming that the total entropy of the universe can only increase.

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From my understanding, we can think of entropy as how spread out energy is within a system. The more spread out, the more entropy. The more condensed, the less entropy.
If you were to condense all the energy in the universe into a point, wouldn't the temperature be very high, yet the entropy be very low? Also if you were to spread out all of the energy in the universe, wouldn't the temperature be near zero and the entropy be very high? And this makes entropy units - J/K - make sense. Because the total amount of energy in the universe is constant (2nd Law Thermodynamics), yet the average energy (temperature) seems to decrease, this would mean that the entropy of the universe can only net increase. Is this a correct understanding of entropy or am I off? Thanks for your help.
 
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Jaccobtw said:
If you were to condense all the energy in the universe into a point, wouldn't the temperature be very high, yet the entropy be very low?
Temperature at that point would be very high, but everywhere else it would be zero. The entropy density at that point would be very high, but everywhere else the entropy density would be zero. The entropy, that is entropy density integrated over whole universe, would therefore be low.

In thermodynamics it's very important to distinguish extensive quantities from intensive quantities. Extensive quantities increase with the size of the system, examples are entropy and energy. Intensive quantities do not increase with the size of the system, examples are temperature, pressure, entropy density and energy density. In fact, all intensive quantities can be understood as kinds of "densities". Pressure is a "density" of force (but force per area, not force per volume), while temperature is related to the energy density (but the exact relation, in general, is not so simple).
 
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