Turbulence Kinetic Energy in pipe flow

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The discussion revolves around estimating turbulence kinetic energy per unit volume in pipe flow, focusing on theoretical equations, practical measures, and applications in computational fluid dynamics (CFD). Participants explore various equations and concepts related to turbulent and laminar flow.

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  • One participant requests the equation for turbulence kinetic energy per unit volume in pipe flow.
  • Another participant suggests looking into the Reynolds number for characterizing turbulent versus laminar flow.
  • A participant mentions that for practical pipes, kinetic energy can be approximated as 1/2 m*v^2, where m is the mass of fluid and v is its velocity.
  • It is noted that turbulent kinetic energy is significant in CFD turbulence models, specifically the k-ε model, which uses it as a transported variable.
  • A participant proposes an approximation for mean kinetic energy per unit mass as 0.5*(U^2) and inquires about a similar equation for turbulence kinetic energy per unit mass, suggesting a form involving the friction factor.
  • Links to Wikipedia articles on turbulence kinetic energy and related topics are provided for further reading.

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Participants express varying viewpoints on the equations and concepts related to turbulence kinetic energy, with no consensus reached on a specific equation for estimating turbulence kinetic energy per unit mass in pipe flow.

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Participants discuss various assumptions related to flow conditions, such as the distinction between turbulent and laminar flow, and the dependence on factors like friction and velocity. Some equations and concepts remain unresolved or are presented with conditions.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in fluid dynamics, particularly those studying turbulence in pipe flow or working with CFD models.

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What is the equation to estimate the turbulence kinetic energy per unit volume in pipe flow? Any information is appreciated.

Thanks.
 
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In most practical pipes for everyday use, the flow is primarily turbulent. The kinetic energy would just be 1/2 m*v^2, where m is the mass of a section of fluid in the pipe and v is the velocity of that fluid where you picked it.

You could solve backwards for the velocity if you knew the head loss and friction factor in the pipe (can get off a Moody chart using pipe surface roughness and the turbulence of the flow).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darcy_friction_factor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moody_chart
 
Turbulent kinetic energy is particularly useful when looking at CFD turbulence models. For example, the very standard k-ε model uses turbulent kinetic energy as one of the "transported" variables representing the turbulent properties.
 
Thanks for your replies.

I agree that the MEAN kinetic engergy per unit mass can be approximated as,

0.5*(U^2) where U is the average velocity in pipe.

Is there a similar equation that can be used to estimate the Turbulence kinetic energy per unit mass in pipe flow? such as

0.5*f(U'^2) wehre f is the friction factor

Or some other equations?
 

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