Two blocks on a surface and a pulley

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving two blocks, A and B, on a surface with a pulley system. The problem specifically addresses the motion of block A, which is moving upwards with a certain acceleration, and the conditions under which block B remains stationary relative to the surface.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to understand why block A must move upwards for block B to remain stationary relative to the surface. There are questions about the forces acting on both blocks and the implications of A's motion direction on B's movement.

Discussion Status

Some participants are exploring the forces acting on block B in different scenarios, questioning the role of friction, gravity, and normal forces. There is an acknowledgment of the complexities involved in the motion of both blocks, with no clear consensus reached yet.

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Participants are grappling with the implications of A's upward motion and its effect on B's acceleration and relative position. There is mention of drawing free body diagrams and the challenges in establishing the correct axes for analysis.

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Homework Statement


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Everything that can be used is in the picture.
μ is the coefficient of friction between both B and A and A and the surface.
A is moving upwards the surface with a certain acceleration.
B doesn't move in relative to the surface.
1. Why the direction of A's motion must be upwards and not downwards for B to not move in relative to the surface.
2. tanα=?

Homework Equations


ma=F

The Attempt at a Solution


I really don't know why A has to move upwards for this to be possible. If it move upwards both B and the surafce will apply force to the same dircetion (downwards the surface), but if it moves downwards they will both apply force upwards the surface. Why does it matter?
I thought that if I solved 2 maybe I would understand, however I can't seem to solve it.
I tried to draw a free body diagram, because if we want A to not move in relative to B we need them to have the same acceleration (in this case at least, correct?)
However, I have no idea how to draw the axes.
Any help would be appreciated.
 

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Eitan Levy said:
if we want A to not move in relative to B
As I understand it, A does move relative to B. But B does not move relative to the incline.
 
Think about all the forces on B in either case.
 
TSny said:
As I understand it, A does move relative to B. But B does not move relative to the incline.
I just can't type...
 
Merlin3189 said:
Think about all the forces on B in either case.
Friction, gravity and normal (the friction swaps its direction),
Still don't understand why it's impossible.

Maybe it's because at the second case B will accelerate downwards the sufrace for sure? And the surface can't accelerate the same way, so B will have to move in relative to it?
 
Eitan Levy said:
Maybe it's because at the second case B will accelerate downwards the sufrace for sure?
Yes. If B were to stay put while A moves downplane underneath it then both friction and gravity would be acting down the slope on B, with nothing to balance them.
 

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