Two Pendulums connected by a spring

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The discussion revolves around the dynamics of two pendulums connected by a spring, focusing on deriving the total energy expression and its matrix form. Participants explore the potential and kinetic energy contributions from each pendulum and the spring, emphasizing the importance of small angle approximations for simplification. There is confusion regarding the correct formulation of the spring's potential energy and the treatment of displacements in both horizontal and vertical directions. Ultimately, the need for a clear distinction between extensions and the use of Taylor series for approximations is highlighted to achieve the desired energy expression in matrix form. The conversation underscores the complexity of the system and the necessity of careful mathematical treatment to derive accurate energy representations.
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I get that ##A = M^{-1}K##. I now have to diagonalise A. In my previous problems I have simply put the ansatz of ##\underline{x} = \underline{P}(a \cos (wt) + b \sin (wt))## and this has allowed me to obtain the form ##G\underline{P} = \lambda \underline{P}##.

Is it what I should do here? It seems appropraite given the form of the energy and eqn of motion.
 
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Why do you need to diagonalize it? Are you supposed to find a closed-form solution?
 
  • #33
voko said:
Why do you need to diagonalize it? Are you supposed to find a closed-form solution?

Yes, I am supposed to find a general solution to the equation of motion. This is probably a bit late to ask but what is the underlying physics behind diagonalising a matrix?
 
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The physics is mostly in eigenvalues and eigenvectors. These correspond to "pure tones", so to speak, which any complex motion of the system can be made of.

Diagonalization is a mathematical device that makes use of these physical elements to render the problem in a form easier to deal with. One could also say that it transforms the problem from the "ad hoc" coordinates that we used to describe the problem initially, into "intrinsic" or "physical" coordinates.
 
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voko said:
The physics is mostly in eigenvalues and eigenvectors. These correspond to "pure tones", so to speak, which any complex motion of the system can be made of.

Diagonalization is a mathematical device that makes use of these physical elements to render the problem in a form easier to deal with. One could also say that it transforms the problem from the "ad hoc" coordinates that we used to describe the problem initially, into "intrinsic" or "physical" coordinates.

Thanks voko, I can take the rest of the question from here. Now to try the next problem - a double pendulum... :)
 

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