Two Problems on Rotation of a Rigid Body

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The discussion revolves around two problems related to the rotation of rigid bodies. The first problem involves calculating the moment of inertia of a long rod with a square cross-section, while the second problem concerns a hollow sphere rolling up an incline and determining how far it travels before rolling back down.

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  • Participants explore the concept of moment of inertia, questioning how to account for the square cross-section in the first problem. In the second problem, there is confusion regarding the correct terminology for velocity and the setup of energy conservation equations.

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Some participants have provided guidance on using conservation of energy principles for the second problem, while others express uncertainty about setting up the formulas correctly. There is an acknowledgment of mistakes in terminology, and participants are actively seeking clarification on the concepts involved.

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Participants are navigating through the complexities of rotational and translational kinetic energy, with some indicating a lack of familiarity with specific terms and formulas related to these concepts.

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the first

Homework Statement



Calculate the moment of inertia about a center axis of a long rod with an LxL square cross section

Homework Equations



moment of inertia (I) = the integral of the radius^2 dm

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm not really sure where to start with this one, but the I of a thin rod about its center is equal to 1/12 ML^2. This however, has a cross-section. How do I take this into account and solve the problem?
and the second:

Homework Statement



A Hollow sphere is rolling along a horizontal floor at 5.0 m/s when it comes to a 30 degree incline. How far up the incline does it roll before coming back down?

omega (angular velocity) before incline=5.0 m/s
omega at top point on incline before rolling back=0m/s


Homework Equations



Moment of Inertia of a hollow sphere= 2/3MR^2

The Attempt at a Solution


once again, I'm not sure where to begin or how to set this one up, but I think if I could figure this out I could solve the problem.
 
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5.0 m/s cannot be angular velocity, look at the units. It is the translatoral velocity of the sphere's center of mass, I assume.
 
that was a mistake on my part. I meant to put velocity, not angular velocity.
 
mst3kjunkie said:
that was a mistake on my part. I meant to put velocity, not angular velocity.

Ok, now all you have to do is use energy conservation. Note only that the sphere has translatoral and rotational kinetic energy.
 
I'm a bit unsure as to how to set up the formula, still.
 
mst3kjunkie said:
I'm a bit unsure as to how to set up the formula, still.

Do you know how to use conservation of energy? The kinetic energy (translatoral + rotational) of the sphere must equal the potential energy of the sphere at the highest point on the incline (since the sphere's kinetic energy equals zero at that point).
 
I've used Conservation of Energy before, but I haven't encountered the translatoral (at least the term) or rotational energy formulas yet.
 
mst3kjunkie said:
I've used Conservation of Energy before, but I haven't encountered the translatoral (at least the term) or rotational energy formulas yet.

[tex]E_{K,T}=\frac{1}{2}mv^2[/tex], and
[tex]E_{K,R}=\frac{1}{2}I \omega^2[/tex].
 
okay, now I"ve gotten it to

(25/2)m+(1/3)mr^2(omega)^2 = 9.8mh

am I on the right track?
 
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Yes, but note only that the moment of inertia of the sphere must be calculated with respect to the bottom point, since the translational velocity at that point equals zero, so it is the center of rotation. This link may be a useufl reference: http://www.physics.upenn.edu/courses/gladney/mathphys/java/sect4/subsubsection4_1_4_3.html" . I hope you'll get everything right now.
 
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