Two protons moving toward each other

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The problem involves two protons moving towards each other, each with an initial kinetic energy of 0.16 MeV. The objective is to determine the separation distance between the protons when they momentarily come to a stop, utilizing concepts from energy conservation and electric potential energy.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss equating initial kinetic energy to final potential energy to find the distance. Some express confusion over calculations and potential mistakes, while others question the setup and assumptions made in the problem.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the problem with participants sharing their attempts and questioning each other's reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the initial energy consideration, noting that both protons contribute to the total kinetic energy.

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Participants are working under the constraints of the problem's parameters, including the specific kinetic energy values provided. There is mention of varying initial kinetic energies among participants, which may influence their approaches.

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Homework Statement



Two protons that are very far apart are hurled straight at each other, each with an initial kinetic energy of 0.16 MeV, where 1 mega electron volt is equal to 10^6*(1.6*10^-19) joules. What is the separation of the protons from each other when they momentarily come to a stop?


Homework Equations



E=mc^2+K+U
U,electric=(1/4 pi epsilon)*(q1q2/r)

The Attempt at a Solution



I've been trying to figure this one out for about a half hour. I tried finding the potential energy U by rearranging terms in the equation for E. I then took that number and set it equal to (1/4 pi epsilon)*(q1q2/r)) and tried to find r (the distance) that way, but my answer was wrong. Any ideas?
 
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I can't work out what you did but if you set the initial kinetic energy equal to the final potential energy, it's trivial, surely ?
 
Mentz114 said:
I can't work out what you did but if you set the initial kinetic energy equal to the final potential energy, it's trivial, surely ?


Thanks...that's what I did. I took that number and then used that in the equation for electric potential energy to obtain the distance.

Sometimes I have a habit of making silly mistakes/overthinking things.
 
rkjul said:

The Attempt at a Solution



I've been trying to figure this one out for about a half hour. I tried finding the potential energy U by rearranging terms in the equation for E. I then took that number and set it equal to (1/4 pi epsilon)*(q1q2/r)) and tried to find r (the distance) that way, but my answer was wrong. Any ideas?

Your description is a bit nebulous. Could you please show your numerical calculations? What result have you been getting?
 
I am attempting to solve this problem. It seems simple enough but I seem to be getting the wrong answer.

Here is what I have done:
Uf=Ki

9e9*(1.6e-19)2
--------------------- = (.16)(1e6)(1.6e-19)
r

2.304e-28 = 2.56e-14*r
r=9.0e-15

Can someone help me figure out where I went wrong?
 
Remember your initial energy is 2*(0.16 MeV), since both protons are moving.
 
That was the problem. Thank you very much.
 
I have this same homework question (but my Ki is .21MeV). Can someone explain it to me in detail? I'm trying to make sure I understand why it's done this way.
 

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