Two Questions About Physics from 11 Year Old Lazernugget

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The discussion revolves around two questions posed by an 11-year-old regarding basic concepts of electricity and the restoration of an old radio. The first question concerns the movement of electrons in conductors, particularly in silicon, while the second question addresses the sourcing of vacuum tubes and components for repairing a vintage radio.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant clarifies that electrons "drift" through conductors and that their movement is influenced by random thermal motion.
  • It is noted that in silicon, both electrons and holes contribute to electrical conduction.
  • Another participant suggests using Google to find vacuum tubes and mentions that many enthusiasts have stockpiles of old components.
  • Concerns are raised about the common failure of capacitors in old radios, with advice on identifying and replacing them based on their voltage and capacitance ratings.
  • Safety warnings are provided regarding high voltages present in tube circuits, emphasizing the risks associated with handling old radios while powered.
  • Specific voltage ratings for components, such as the 6CA7 pentode, are mentioned to highlight the potential hazards.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of safety when working with vintage electronics and the common issues faced with old radio components. However, there are no explicit resolutions to the questions posed, and multiple approaches to sourcing parts and understanding electrical concepts are discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of knowledge about electrical components and safety, and there are assumptions about the reader's familiarity with technical terms and concepts. The discussion does not resolve the specifics of how electrons move in silicon or the best methods for sourcing vacuum tubes.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for young learners interested in physics and electronics, hobbyists restoring vintage equipment, and individuals seeking to understand basic electrical concepts.

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So, I come to you today with 2 more of my amazing 11 year old questions about physics.

I'll make it short here:

1. I have an awesome Eco-friendly power source idea that I'm not going to post here 'cause it's too original. First of all, my basic knowledge of what electricity IS, is electrons jumping from one atom to another (I know, stupid sounding right?) but how do you initially get electrons to start moving? Plus, in silicon, is it the silicon atoms that let electrons jump from one atom to another, or is it just that electrons pass through the silicon atoms or something else?

2. I have a radio from like 1939 (My great grandfather) and as a summer project, me and my dad are going to try to fix it. It's really old and has a few vacuum tubes. First off, is there a place to get new vacuum tubes? Is there a place to get big bulky old-timey transformers and capacitors too? Thanks for the help,

Lazernugget

(Oh and by the way, YES I HAVE A SOLDERING IRON)
 
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Lazernugget said:
1. ... First of all, my basic knowledge of what electricity IS, is electrons jumping from one atom to another...

Electrons "drift" through conductors. i.e. their velocity is very small compared to the random movement they are going through. I'll leave it up to you to follow through on these links.

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http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/ohmmic.html"

Not only do electrons move through silicon but also holes.

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http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/solids/intrin.html"

2. I have a radio from like 1939 (My great grandfather) and as a summer project, me and my dad are going to try to fix it. It's really old and has a few vacuum tubes. ...[/QUOTE]

This reminds me of my early projects. I have a box of old tubes that I may share with you. Let me know the tube number when you get to that stage and I'll check. You can PM me if you want.
 
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For the old radio part...

Google should be your friend. There are lots of tubing enthusiasts out there still and folks who have hoards of back stock. But I've found that most often it's the capacitors that go bad or dry out or short or whatever. Usually they are marked with a farad and voltage value so you can make an attempt to find replacements, or even build-up what you need with multiple new smaller caps. The main problem these days will be finding the voltage rating, so remember that you can put 2 identical caps in series to double the voltage rating but it halves the capacitance.
 
dlgoff said:
This reminds me of my early projects.

schip666! said:
...The main problem these days will be finding the voltage rating, ...

Mentioning voltage brings up something that should be noted for safety. Care should be taken not to touch anything in these old radios while they are plugged into the power source. These tube circuits require some fairly hefty dc voltages. e.g. the maximum plate voltage for the 6CA7 pentode is 800volts and when used as a class A amplifier is 265volts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EL34"

Also note that some tubes have metal caps that connect to the plate.

Tube caps were also used for the plate (anode) connection, particularly in transmitting tubes and tubes using a very high plate voltage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_tube"

edit: one other thing comes to mind concerning safety. Back then, power receptacles were "two pronged" and did not have the third terminal for chassis safety ground. So when you plugged them in, you had a 50:50 chance (depending on the orientation on the prongs) of placing 115vac directly on the chassis.
 
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