Two variable limit problem : Polar Coordinates

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The problem involves finding the limit of a function as the variables (x, y) approach (0, 0) using polar coordinates. The original expression is xy((x² - y²) / (x² + y²)), and the discussion revolves around the transition to polar coordinates and the implications for the limit.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to switch to polar coordinates and questions the correctness of the limit index as r approaches 0. They also inquire about the next steps after obtaining the expression in polar form.
  • Some participants emphasize the importance of considering different paths to (0, 0) and whether the limit depends on the angle θ.
  • Further clarification is sought regarding the implications of the notation used after switching to polar coordinates.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the validity of the approach taken by the original poster and the potential for different limits depending on the path. There is an acknowledgment of the need to verify that no other paths yield different limits, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the need to be cautious about paths that may lead to different limits, particularly in polar coordinates where the limit may still depend on θ. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the notation and the implications of their findings.

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Homework Statement

Find the limit of[tex]lim_{(x,y) \rightarrow (0,0)} xy(\frac{x^{2}-y^{2}}{x^{2}+y^{2}})[/tex]

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We were supposed to switch to polar coordinates to solve this problem. Thus we get,

[tex]lim_{(r) \rightarrow (0)} <br /> rcos\theta rsin\theta (\frac{r^{2}cos^{2}\theta - r^{2}sin^{2}\theta}{r^{2}cos^{2}\theta+r^{2} sin^{2}\theta})[/tex]

cancel out the r squares in the fraction and using double angle formulas we get[tex]lim_{(r) \rightarrow (0)} r^{2} cos\theta sin\theta cos 2\theta[/tex]

I skipped a bunch of steps, I can write them out if I lose you guys.

My questions is as follows:

1.) What is the proper limit index after switching to polar coordinates, is r--->0 correct?

2.) What do we with the last line? Do we just let r approach zero and, thus, get limit = 0? or do we switch back to cartesian coordinate?

Thank you in advanced.

M
 
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You can take the original limit by taking [tex]r\rightarrow 0[/tex]. In general you have to be careful that there isn't a path to (x=0,y=0) that gives a different limit than this one. In polar coordinates this is can be the case if the result for the limit still depends on [tex]\theta[/tex] or if some [tex]\theta\rightarrow a[/tex] limit changes the [tex]r\rightarrow 0[/tex] limit.
 
fzero said:
You can take the original limit by taking [tex]r\rightarrow 0[/tex]. In general you have to be careful that there isn't a path to (x=0,y=0) that gives a different limit than this one. In polar coordinates this is can be the case if the result for the limit still depends on [tex]\theta[/tex] or if some [tex]\theta\rightarrow a[/tex] limit changes the [tex]r\rightarrow 0[/tex] limit.

Thanks for your reply.


So was the notation that I used (r-->0) after switching to polar coordinates correct? I didn't understand the last sentence of your answer, would you clarify that in another way?

Thanks,
M
 
Taking r->0 in the way that you did is the same as taking x->0 on a path which is the line x= c y, with c nonzero. There's nothing wrong with that, but you must verify that there's no other path that could give a different limit.

For some functions, there could be another path that gives a different limit. For instance

[tex]\lim_{(x,y)\rightarrow 0} \frac{x}{y} = \lim_{r\rightarrow 0} \cot\theta .[/tex]

Since this depends on [tex]\theta[/tex], the limit does not exist. In Cartesian coordinates we can see that the limit doesn't exist by comparing the limit where we first take x->0, which gives 0, with the limit along the path x=y, which gives 1.
 

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