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The discussion revolves around simplifying the expression 1/(1-√2)^3 to the form a+b√2, where a and b are integers. The key point is that instead of equating the original expression to a + b√2, one should rationalize the denominator by multiplying by the conjugate of 1 - √2. This process eliminates radicals from the denominator, allowing for further simplification. A participant expresses confusion about handling the cubic power in the denominator but ultimately finds a solution, albeit feeling uncertain about the method used. The conversation emphasizes the importance of rationalization in achieving the desired form.
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Homework Statement
When simplified, 1/(1-√2)^3 is written in the form a+b√2 where a and b are integers;

what is the value of b?
Relevant Equations
No equations needed
Now, I obviously started by equalling the two expressions, but ending up with a 2-variables equation which of course can't be solved...
I cannot really understand from where could I take the second equation involving a and b to be able to put the two into a system of equations.
 
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greg_rack said:
Homework Statement:: When simplified, 1/(1-√2)^3 is written in the form a+b√2 where a and b are integers;

what is the value of b?
Relevant Equations:: No equations needed

Now, I obviously started by equalling the two expressions, but ending up with a 2-variables equation which of course can't be solved...
I cannot really understand from where could I take the second equation involving a and b to be able to put the two into a system of equations.
The idea is not to set the original expression equal to ##a + b\sqrt 2##. It's to work with the given expression until it has the form that is requested. What you need to do is to get rid of the ##1 -\sqrt 2## factors in the denominator. You can do this by what is called rationalizing the denominator, by multiplying by the conjugate of the denominator.
For example, ##\frac 2{a + \sqrt b} = \frac{2(a - \sqrt b)}{(a + \sqrt b)(a - \sqrt b)} = \frac{2(a - \sqrt b)}{a^2 -b}##. In the last expression, the denominator no longer has any radicals in it. In the 2nd expression, the original fraction was multiplied by 1 in the form of the conjugate of ##a + \sqrt b## over itself. It's always legitimate to multiply an expression by 1.
 
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Mark44 said:
The idea is not to set the original expression equal to ##a + b\sqrt 2##. It's to work with the given expression until it has the form that is requested. What you need to do is to get rid of the ##1 -\sqrt 2## factors in the denominator. You can do this by what is called rationalizing the denominator, by multiplying by the conjugate of the denominator.
For example, ##\frac 2{a + \sqrt b} = \frac{2(a - \sqrt b)}{(a + \sqrt b)(a - \sqrt b)} = \frac{2(a - \sqrt b)}{a^2 -b}##. In the last expression, the denominator no longer has any radicals in it. In the 2nd expression, the original fraction was multiplied by 1 in the form of the conjugate of ##a + \sqrt b## over itself. It's always legitimate to multiply an expression by 1.
Got it, but still have a doubt...how do I treat the cubic power at the denominator?
 
greg_rack said:
Got it, but still have a doubt...how do I treat the cubic power at the denominator?
What have you done so far?
 
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What have you done so far?
I have just come up with a solution... but maybe a bit unorthodox.
That third grade at the denominator confused me, I know the process of rationalizing but not if the denominator is elevated to some exponent.
By thinking on it, I managed to reach the solution, but I'm not satisfied with the process.
 
Why don't you just post the whole solution you constructed, and we can tell you if there's anything wrong with it.
 
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