Type of laser -- which is easiest to make?

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The discussion revolves around the types of lasers and masers that are easier to construct, exploring factors such as the energy levels involved in achieving population inversion, the materials required, and the historical context of laser development. Participants consider various types of lasers including microwave (maser), infrared, visible light, and UV lasers, as well as practical considerations for DIY construction.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about which type of laser is easier to make, questioning the context of "easier" (Post 2).
  • There is a suggestion that masers may be easier due to the proximity of energy levels involved, potentially leading to a simpler population inversion (Post 7).
  • Concerns are raised about the safety and practicality of constructing certain types of lasers, such as nitrogen lasers, which produce ionizing radiation (Post 8).
  • Participants discuss the challenges associated with X-ray lasers, noting the need for strong sources of X radiation (Post 3, Post 19).
  • Some argue that semiconductor lasers are now easier to produce due to advancements in technology, though not necessarily at home (Post 8).
  • Questions arise about the possibility of avoiding reflections of certain frequencies in laser operation, particularly in relation to maintaining population inversion (Post 10, Post 12).
  • There is a mention of different laser types, with helium neon gas lasers being noted as simpler to make (Post 17).
  • Participants express uncertainty about specific technical questions, indicating a lack of consensus on certain points (Post 11, Post 15).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on which type of laser is definitively easier to make, as various factors and contexts are considered. There are multiple competing views regarding the practicality and safety of different laser types, as well as the technical aspects of laser construction.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include varying definitions of "easier," dependence on available materials, and unresolved technical questions regarding laser operation and design.

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Hello,

Which type of laser are easier to make ? Micro-wave (MASER), infrared, visible light, UV... ?
Which type of light leads in an easier way to a population inversion ? Is it maser because the level energy involved are closed ?
Thank you
 
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Easier in which context? With material you have at home, in a good lab, in a laser factory?
Historically, the maser came first. The cheapest source for coherent light (visible and infrared) today should be laser diodes.
UV is tricky.
 
X-ray lasers are the worst. You need a strong source of X radiation, like what comes from a nuclear blast. This was a big stumbling block in building the SDI.
 
Nuclear weapons don't work for laser emissions.
Free-electron lasers can produce coherent x-rays - up to ~10 keV at SLAC, for example. The European XFEL should achieve even higher energies.
 
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SteamKing said:
Now you tell us.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/systems/xrl.htm

Didn't stop people from trying to use nukes to make X-ray lasers, though.
Oh wow, nuclear weapons to pump an x-ray laser. I didn't expect that.
Good to have more... non-destructive sources now.
 
@mfb Just easier if we talk about the energy of the light involved. (not about the material, juste suppose that you have access to anything)
Is it true to think that's MASER because of the proximity between the level involved ? If we look at the Boltzmann distribution, ΔE is smaller with maser and it would be easier to obtain N2 > N1 ? Is that reasoning correct ?

Thank you
 
I don't what application the OP had in mind for a laser / maser but an optical EM generator is far easier to detect.
I saw a demonstration of a laser which consisted of a block of Jelly ("Jello") and a Photo Flash but we had to take the guy's word that it was producing anything worth having. Nitrogen Lasers are easy to make, I believe but they produce ionising radiations and are not safe to use - bad idea, even if it could prove the point.

It's down to what you mean by "easier". Not long ago the word "possible" would have been more appropriate until they developed a semiconductor industry. Now, semiconductor lasers are very 'easy' to produce - but probably not on your kitchen table.
 
hiltac said:
@mfb Just easier if we talk about the energy of the light involved. (not about the material, juste suppose that you have access to anything)
Is it true to think that's MASER because of the proximity between the level involved ? If we look at the Boltzmann distribution, ΔE is smaller with maser and it would be easier to obtain N2 > N1 ? Is that reasoning correct ?
You need less energy per system to get a population inversion, but that is not an issue for lasers. Power comes from the wall plug.
 
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And, just to be sure, is it possible to avoid the reflection of some frequency during the wall plug ? To be able to have only the frequency of the laser transition and avoid transition from the ground state (to maintain the population inversion).
 
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I have no idea what you are asking in your last post.
The laser operation has nothing to do with the power grid.
 
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Yes you're right, it's another thing. I just want to know if it is possible to avoid some reflection (in the gain medium) ? can we modulate the miroir to absorb (and so not reflect) some frequencies ?
 
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Which frequencies are you talking about?
Different modes in the laser cavity? Mirrors won't be specific enough to differentiate between them, but you can add more cavity-like structures to suppress unwanted modes.
 
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If we consider a 3 level laser, we have to avoid absorption from level 1 to 2 (if it lase between 3 and 2). So, I'm asking if it is possible to not reflect the hν12 which is made by the spontaneous emission between this 2 level ?
 
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Sorry, I have no idea what you are asking.
 
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Hiltac, what are you starting with? What's your budget? What's your goal? How much time do you want to put into this? There are plenty of DIY laser instructions on the web. You can get a functionning red diode for less than a dollar, and you can ask gouvernments for billion dollar grants to gamble on something new. Solid, liquid, gas, or diode? That's a start.
 
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Helium neon gas lasers are simplest to make. The first polarized amplified beam of radiation was microwave a maser.
 
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hiltac said:
Hello,

Which type of laser are easier to make ? Micro-wave (MASER), infrared, visible light, UV... ?
Which type of light leads in an easier way to a population inversion ? Is it maser because the level energy involved are closed ?
Thank you
I have put together several types, most need good glass skills, and a good vacuum system.
I remember reading a Scientific American Article in the 70's about building a CO2 laser
with a water aspirator, manometer, and wall voltage, very simple setup.
I don't remember what they used for an output coupler.
Be careful! 10.6 um can be very dangerous.
 
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SteamKing said:
X-ray lasers are the worst. You need a strong source of X radiation, like what comes from a nuclear blast. This was a big stumbling block in building the SDI.

I've seen the X-Ray beam from a CT scanner melt the table in diagnostic mode, sticky iris.
 
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hiltac said:
Hello,

Which type of laser are easier to make ? Micro-wave (MASER), infrared, visible light, UV... ?
Which type of light leads in an easier way to a population inversion ? Is it maser because the level energy involved are closed ?
Thank you
Normally red lasers are the cheapest, you can get a mouse pointer for like nothing. Blue and Green cost more but require more power, at least they used to, today who knows.
 

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