Uncertainties For Wave Packets

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The discussion revolves around the uncertainties associated with wave packets in quantum mechanics, particularly focusing on the normalization of wave functions and the calculation of standard deviations for position and momentum distributions.

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  • Participants discuss the normalization of the wave function and the implications of Fourier transforming it. There are attempts to compute standard deviations for both position and momentum wave functions, with some participants questioning the convergence of integrals involved in these calculations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different aspects of the problem. Some have noted that their calculations lead to non-converging integrals, raising questions about the implications for uncertainty. Others have pointed out that despite these issues, the uncertainty relation appears to hold.

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There is mention of specific wave packet forms and their associated standard deviations, with references to external sources for comparison. Participants express uncertainty regarding their methods due to the divergence of integrals encountered in their calculations.

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Homework Statement
Zettili Quantum, 3rd Edition, Exercise 1.39 (page 89)

Part (a): Find the Fourier transform ##\psi(x)## of $$\tilde{\phi}(p)=\begin{cases}0,&\left|p\right|\geq p_{0}\\A&\left|p\right|<p_{0}\end{cases}$$
Part (b): Find A so that ##\psi(x)## is normalised.
Part (c): Estimate the uncertainties ##\Delta p## and ##\Delta x## and then verify that ##\Delta x\Delta p## satisfies Heisenberg's uncertainty relation.
Relevant Equations
$$\psi(x)=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi\hbar}}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\tilde{\phi}(p)\exp\left(\frac{ixp}{\hbar}\right)\text{d}p$$
$$\sin(\theta)=\frac{\exp(i\theta)-\exp(-i\theta)}{2i}$$
$$\Delta x=\sqrt{\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}(x-\mu)^{2}f(x)\text{d}x}$$
$$\mu=\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}xf(x)\text{d}x$$
I believe I have solved parts (a) and (b) correctly. I'll first normalise ##\tilde{\phi}\left(p\right)## since I have found that doing so and then Fourier-transforming it to return ##\psi\left(x\right)## keeps the resultant (position) wave packet normalised.
$$\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\left|\tilde{\phi}\left(p\right)\right|^{2}\text{d}p=\int_{-p_{0}}^{p_{0}}\left|A\right|^{2}\text{d}p=2p_{0}\left|A\right|^{2}=1$$
Which returns
$$A=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2p_{0}}}$$
Now performing the Fourier transform for a time-independent position-basis wave function, I use
$$\psi\left(x\right)=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi\hbar}}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\tilde{\phi}\left(p\right)\exp\left(\frac{ixp}{\hbar}\right)\text{d}p=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi\hbar}}\int_{-p_{0}}^{p_{0}}\frac{1}{\sqrt{2p_{0}}}\exp\left(\frac{ixp}{\hbar}\right)\text{d}p$$

Where ##\tilde{\phi}\left(p\right)## is effectively a constant so the integral is that of an exponential.
$$\psi\left(x\right)=\frac{1}{\sqrt{4\pi\hbar p_{0}}}\int_{-p_{0}}^{p_{0}}\exp\left(\frac{ixp}{\hbar}\right)\text{d}p=\frac{1}{\sqrt{4\pi\hbar p_{0}}}\frac{\hbar}{ix}\left[\exp\left(\frac{ixp}{\hbar}\right)\right]_{p=-p_{0}}^{p=p_{0}}$$
The exponential term evaluated can be converted into an expression with sine.
$$\exp\left(\frac{ixp_{0}}{\hbar}\right)-\exp\left(\frac{-ixp_{0}}{\hbar}\right)=2i\sin\left(\frac{xp_{0}}{\hbar}\right)$$
So the Fourier transform is
$$\psi(x)=\frac{1}{\sqrt{4\pi\hbar p_{0}}}\frac{\hbar}{ix}2i\sin\left(\frac{xp_{0}}{\hbar}\right)=\boxed{\sqrt{\frac{\hbar}{xp_{0}}}\frac{\sin\left(\frac{xp_{0}}{\hbar}\right)}{x}}$$
When I compute a squared-amplitude integration over all space, I do get one so ##\psi(x)## is normalised.

It is this third part that I have trouble with. I obtain the standard deviation expressions for a function from the Wikipedia page on standard deviations. There, ##\mu## is the expected value of the density function ##f(x)##. From what I understand, the squared-amplitude ##\left|\psi(x)\right|^{2}## and ##\left|\tilde{\phi}(p)\right|^{2}## are probability density functions, eg if I have a random wave function ##\left|\chi(x)\right|^{2}\text{d}x##, it represents the probability of finding the associated particle of ##\chi(x)## between ##x## and ##x+\text{d}x##. The ##\mu## values for both ##x\left|\tilde{\phi}(p)\right|^{2}## and ##x\left|\psi(x)\right|^{2}##, I compute to be zero since the integrands are odd functions. Setting ##\mu=0##, the standard deviation for ##\tilde{\phi}(p)## is
$$\Delta p=\sqrt{\int_{-p_{0}}^{p_{0}}\frac{1}{2p_{0}}p^{2}\text{d}p}=\sqrt{\frac{1}{2p_{0}\left[\frac{p^{3}}{3}\right]^{p=p_{0}}_{p=-p_{0}}}}=\frac{p_{0}}{\sqrt{3}}$$
However, when I go to do the same calculation for ##\psi(x)##, I obtain the integrand
$$x^{2}\left|\psi(x)\right|^{2}=x^{2}\frac{\hbar}{\pi p_{0}}\frac{\sin^{2}\left(\frac{xp_{0}}{\hbar}\right)}{x^{2}}=\frac{\hbar}{\pi p_{0}}\sin^{2}\left(\frac{xp_{0}}{\hbar}\right)$$
Which when integrated from ##(-\infty,\infty)## is non-converging, hence I cannot obtain ##\Delta x\Delta p## unless I was to say that the uncertainty is infinite?

I will say that on page 54, Zettili uses the example wave packets ##\psi(x)=\left(\frac{2}{\pi a^{2}}\right)^{\frac{1}{4}}\exp\left(-\frac{x^{2}}{a^{2}}\right)\exp\left(ik_{0}x\right)## and ##\phi(k)=\left(\frac{a^{2}}{2\pi}\right)^{\frac{1}{4}}\exp\left(-\frac{a^{2}\left(k-k_{0}\right)^{2}}{4}\right)## for a computation (or rather estimate) with result ##\Delta x\Delta k=\frac{1}{2}## (where the ##k##-basis wave packet is centered at ##k_{0}## and ##a## is a constant). When I take these wave packets, compute their square amplitudes and integrate from ##(-\infty,\infty)## using the appropriate standard deviation formulas, I indeed get one-half (the uncertainty/standard deviation is independent of ##a## or ##k_{0}##). This gives me a bit of confidence that the equations I'm using might be right (or in the least might not be fully wrong).
 
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flyusx said:
Which when integrated from (−∞,∞) is non-converging, hence I cannot obtain ΔxΔp unless I was to say that the uncertainty is infinite?
Even if the product is infinite, the relation
\triangle p \triangle x \ge \frac{\hbar}{2}
is satisfied. I am not surprized to find infinite uncertainty in such a square shaped momentum space wave function.
 
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anuttarasammyak said:
Even if the product is infinite, the relation
\triangle p \triangle x \ge \frac{\hbar}{2}
is satisfied. I am not surprized to find infinite uncertainty in such a square shaped momentum space wave function.
This is the only time for which going through my process of normalising, Fourier transforming and then evaluating the standard deviations according to the formulas has given me a divergent integral, albeit it has never given me a result that didn't satisfy Heisenberg's uncertainty principle. I suppose I got a bit scared upon seeing a diverging integral and thought my method and understanding was flawed.
 

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