Calculating Theoretical Yield for Copper Reactions: Help with Homework

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The discussion revolves around calculating the theoretical yield of copper compounds formed in a series of chemical reactions, based on experimental measurements. The scope includes homework-related calculations involving stoichiometry and limiting reagents in the context of chemistry.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Participants discuss the measurements from an experiment involving copper and various reagents, including nitric acid and sodium hydroxide.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to begin the calculations for the theoretical mass of copper (II) nitrate formed in the first reaction.
  • Another participant questions whether the calculations are indeed required and introduces the concept of limiting reagents.
  • There is a discussion about mass conservation and whether the amount of copper should change throughout the reactions.
  • Participants attempt calculations for the theoretical yield of copper (II) nitrate and copper (II) hydroxide, with some expressing confusion over significant figures and units.
  • Concerns are raised about the lack of concentration information for nitric acid, which is necessary for accurate calculations.
  • One participant attempts to use the results from the first reaction to calculate the second reaction, indicating a connection between the reactions.
  • Discrepancies in calculations are noted, with participants correcting each other and discussing the importance of accurate molar masses.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to calculate the theoretical yields for each reaction, but there is no consensus on the specific calculations or the handling of limiting reagents and concentrations. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the calculations and methodology.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the information provided, such as the missing concentration of nitric acid, which affects the ability to perform certain calculations accurately. There are also unresolved issues regarding the correct application of stoichiometry and significant figures in the calculations.

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Homework Statement


Here's the measurements from my expirement.
(reaction 1)
0.548 g Cu (s)
4.0 mL HNO3
100 mL DI water

(reaction 2)
30 mL 3.0 M NAOH

(reaction 3)
nothing was added.

(reaction 4)
200 mL of DI water
15 mL of 6.0 M HCl

(reaction 5)
2.095 g Zn
10 mL 6M HCl
5 mL methanol
5 mL DI water
40.767 g mass of evaporating dish
41.238 g mass of evaporating dish with solid


Homework Equations


Here are the reactions:
reaction 1: theoretical mass of copper (II) nitrate formed
Cu+4HNO3-->Cu(NO3)2+2NO2+2H2O

reactoin 2: theoretical mass of copper (II) hydroxide formed
Cu(NO3)2+2NaOH-->Cu(OH)2+2NaNO3

reaction 3: theoretical mass of copper (II) oxide formed
Cu(OH)2-->CuO+H2O

reaction 4: theoretical mass of copper (II) sulfate formed
CuO+H2SO4-->CuSO4+H2O

reaction 5: theoretical mass of copper formed
Zn+CuSO4-->ZnSO4+Cu

The Attempt at a Solution


I have no clue where to even start. my teacher said some of the measurements from the lab were needed in the calculations, but i don't know which measurements to use for each reaction.
 
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First of all - what are you expected to calculate?
 
what I need to calculate (some of the measurements from the lab are used in the calculations):

the theorecital mass of copper (II) nitrate formed in reaction 1

the theoretical mass of copper (II) hydroxide formed in reaction 2

the theoretical mass of copper (II) oxide formed in reaction 3

the theoretical mass of copper formed

and the % yield of the overall reaction

im not asking you to do all those problems for me. but, i have no idea where to start. i need somebody to help show me how to do the first one, then i could do the rest on my own.
 
blicker said:
the theorecital mass of copper (II) nitrate formed in reaction 1

the theoretical mass of copper (II) hydroxide formed in reaction 2

the theoretical mass of copper (II) oxide formed in reaction 3

These can be calculated, no problem - but are you really asked to do it, or do you just guess you should do it?

Do you know what limiting reagent is?

the theoretical mass of copper formed

Think about mass conservation. You started with some amount of copper, did some tricks with it - but you have not added nor removed copper. You end with copper again. Assuming everything went perfectly well - is there any reason for the amount of copper to change?
 
all of the reaction questions are apart of my assignment, so i have to do them all.

i think the limiting reactant is the reactant that limits the amount of product.
 
blicker said:
i think the limiting reactant is the reactant that limits the amount of product.

Good. Do you know how to check which reagent is limiting? If not, check out

http://www.chembuddy.com/?left=balancing-stoichiometry&right=limiting-reagents

Start with the first reaction - what is a limiting reagent, copper, or nitric acid?

Hm, I see you don't have concentration of nitric acid. If so, assume there was an excess of nitric acid.
 
i tried working it out. is this right?

0.548g Cu*(1 mol Cu/63.55g Cu)=0.009g mol Cu

0.009 mol Cu*(1 mol Cu(NO3)2/1 mol Cu)=0.009 mol Cu(NO3)2

0.009 mol Cu(NO3)2*(125.56g Cu(NO3)2/1 mol Cu(NO3)2=1.08g Cu(NO3)2
 
blicker said:
i tried working it out. is this right?

Yes and no. In general you are on the right track.

0.548g Cu*(1 mol Cu/63.55g Cu)=0.009g mol Cu

What is "g mol"?

0.009 seems to be rounded down way too far. You should use at least the same number of significant figures as you have in the copper mass.
 
sorry i didnt mean to stick that g in there. what should i have done differently besides rounding?
 
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Other than things I listed what you did looks OK. Try the next step.
 
  • #11
is there more i need to do for the first reaction? and would i do the second reaction the same way?
 
  • #12
First reaction is OK. In general you may assume all other reactions can be done the same way, although - to be on the safe side - you should check each time if added reagents are in excess.
 
  • #13
would i use the answer from the first reaction to calculate the second reaction?
 
  • #14
i don't know if its right, but i used the answer from the first reaction to calculate the second reaction since all these reactions are connected.

1.08g Cu(NO3)2*(1 mol Cu(NO3)2/187.57g Cu(NO3)2)=0.00576 mol Cu(NO3)2

0.00576 mol Cu(NO3)2*(1 mol Cu(OH)2/1 mol Cu(NO3)2)=0.00576 mol Cu(OH)2

0.00576 mol Cu(OH)2*(97.566g Cu(OH)2/1 mol Cu(OH)2=0.562g Cu(OH)2
 
  • #15
blicker said:
0.009 mol Cu(NO3)2*(125.56g Cu(NO3)2/1 mol Cu(NO3)2=1.08g Cu(NO3)2
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blicker said:
1.08g Cu(NO3)2*(1 mol Cu(NO3)2/187.57g Cu(NO3)2)=0.00576 mol Cu(NO3)2

It can't be OK - what you wrote means 0.009 = 0.00576. I have not checked your math earlier, just the logic, obviously that wasn't enough.

What is molar mass of copper nitrate?

Other than that you are on the right track. Question: do you have to calculate number of moles of each substance each time? Or are they somehow dependent?
 
  • #16
yeah i realized my math was wrong on the first reaction. i fixed it. and my teacher said we are suppose to work in that 4.0 mL of HNO3. its suppose to be turned into mols. how would i do that?
 
  • #17
You can't without concentration. Perhaps it was just a stock concentrated solution, that would mean around 68% w/w. You have to check the solution density.
 

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