Uncovering the Hidden Power of Fourier Series

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the utility and implications of representing periodic functions, specifically square waves, using Fourier series. Participants explore the reasons for using infinite series of sines and cosines versus simpler representations, considering both theoretical and practical aspects.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the necessity of using Fourier series for periodic functions, suggesting that simpler forms may suffice for certain applications.
  • Another participant challenges this view by asking for examples where the simpler representation is advantageous, indicating a need for clarification on the initial claim.
  • A participant argues that while a periodic function can be expressed simply, using an infinite series can facilitate operations like integration and differentiation, especially in complex scenarios.
  • It is noted that a square wave can be modeled with conditional statements, but this may complicate analysis compared to using Fourier series.
  • One participant highlights that in practical applications, such as electronics, representing signals as sums of sine and cosine functions can simplify the analysis of system responses.
  • A later reply introduces a hypothetical scenario involving aliens and a thermally isolated rod, emphasizing the importance of Fourier series in solving specific problems with sinusoidal initial conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the practicality and necessity of using Fourier series versus simpler representations for periodic functions. There is no consensus on which approach is superior, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the limitations of different representations, including the challenges of differentiability at discontinuities in functions like square waves and the implications for analysis in physical systems.

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If we have a simple periodic function (square wave) which can be easily written but the Fourier series is an infinite series of sines and cosines. Why bother with this format when we can quite easily deal with the given periodic function? What is the whole point of dealing this long calculation?
 
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What makes you think "we can quite easily deal with the given periodic function"? Can you give an example?
 
I meant to say why write this as an infinite series when it can be expressed quite easily as a waveform. For Maclaurin or Taylor series it makes it easier to handle some difficult functions such as sin(sqrt(x)).
 
If all one intends to do with a function is write it down, then it might be simpler to write the function as a rule which has some "if ...then..." conditions in it than write it as an infinite series. For example, a square wave (as a function of time alone) could be written in a format like: if ( n < t < n+1 and n is an even integer) then f(t) = 1. Otherwise f(t) = 0. If you need to integrate or differentiate a function, the "if...then..." conditions can be a nuisance and it may simpler to deal with the infinite series.

A true square wave isn't differentiable at the jumps. In a situation (such as in electronics) when we are dealing with a nominal square wave, we could make a realistic model for the nominal square wave by using some "if...then..." conditions to round the shape of the jumps. However, it may be simpler to think of the square wave as an infinite series and then neglect some of the terms of the series in order to achieve the same sort of approximation.

The "response" of some physical systems to an "input" (e.g. the effect of a electronic filter on an input signal) may be simple to analyze when the input is a sine or cosine function. For a linear system, the response to the sum of inputs is the sum of the responses to the individual inputs. Hence the simplest analysis is often to represent an input signal as a sum of sine and cosine functions and compute the response as the sum of the individual responses.
 
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Maybe one day, you'll be abducted by aliens who will ask you to solve a "cooling off" problem for a thermally isolated rod.

And then you'd be able to answer them because you know how to solve the problem when the initial conditions are sinusoidal, those being the eigenfunctions of the problem (they die off exponentially because the heat equation doesn't like steep temperature gradients, so it kills them off rapidly), so if you can express the arbitrary initial conditions as a Fourier series, you'd be good to go.
 
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