Undefined argument for a complex number

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a complex number defined as z = \frac{a}{1+i} + \frac{b}{1-3i}, where a and b are real numbers. The original poster states that the argument of z is -\frac{\pi}{2} and its magnitude is 4, leading to a search for the values of a and b.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster simplifies the expression for z and attempts to express it in exponential form, leading to a geometric interpretation. They compare real and imaginary parts to derive values for a and b, but question the validity of their results based on the given solution. Other participants suggest checking for errors and clarify the meaning of undefined arguments in relation to tangent.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring the implications of the argument being -\frac{\pi}{2} and addressing potential misunderstandings. Some guidance has been offered regarding the equations derived from the real and imaginary parts of z, and there is a recognition of the original poster's error in copying a negative sign.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of confusion regarding the terminology used in the solution, specifically the claim that an argument of -\frac{\pi}{2} is undefined, which some participants find contradictory. The discussion also highlights the importance of careful reading of the problem statement and solution.

Anielka
Messages
2
Reaction score
0
z is a complex number such that z = \frac{a}{1+i} + \frac{b}{1-3i}
where a and b are real. If arg(z) = -\frac{\pi}{2} and |z|= 4, find the values of a and b.I got as far as

z = (\frac{a}{2} + \frac{b}{10}) + i(\frac{3b}{10} - \frac{a}{2})

by simplifying the original expression. Then I expressed z in the exponential form.
and

z = 4e^{-i({\pi}/2)}

cos\frac{{\pi}}{2} = \frac{x}{4}
x= 0, x would be the real part of z.

From the geometric representation of the complex number it seemed to me that the argument -\pi/2 was reasonable as the complex number would simply lie on the imaginary axis i.e. at (0, -4)

After that I compared real and imaginary parts as z = -4i
and got b = 10 and a = -2. This is apparently wrong. The answer given is b = -10 and a = 2

The solution states that an argument of -pi/2 is undefined. Could someone please explain why it is undefined? And what is the argument of a complex number that lies only on the imaginary axis? Could someone also explain where I went wrong/ why the given answer and my answer just have a sign difference?

Many thanks and if there are problems with formatting, I apologise in advance. It's my first time posting.
 
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org
Anielka said:
z is a complex number such that z = \frac{a}{1+i} + \frac{b}{1-3i}
where a and b are real. If arg(z) = -\frac{\pi}{2} and |z|= 4, find the values of a and b.I got as far as

z = (\frac{a}{2} + \frac{b}{10}) + i(\frac{3b}{10} - \frac{a}{2})

by simplifying the original expression. Then I expressed z in the exponential form.
and

z = 4e^{-i({\pi}/2)}

cos\frac{{\pi}}{2} = \frac{x}{4}
x= 0, x would be the real part of z.

From the geometric representation of the complex number it seemed to me that the argument -\pi/2 was reasonable as the complex number would simply lie on the imaginary axis i.e. at (0, -4)

After that I compared real and imaginary parts as z = -4i
and got b = 10 and a = -2. This is apparently wrong. The answer given is b = -10 and a = 2

The solution states that an argument of -pi/2 is undefined. Could someone please explain why it is undefined? And what is the argument of a complex number that lies only on the imaginary axis? Could someone also explain where I went wrong/ why the given answer and my answer just have a sign difference?

Many thanks and if there are problems with formatting, I apologise in advance. It's my first time posting.
Hello Anielka. Welcome to PF !Are you sure it doesn't say that tan(arg(z)) is undefined ?

Solve the following:
\displaystyle <br /> \frac{a}{2}+\frac{b}{10} = 0

\displaystyle <br /> \frac{3b}{10}-\frac{a}{2}=-4​
You made a simple error.
 
Last edited:
SammyS said:
Hello Anielka. Welcome to PF !


Are you sure it doesn't say that tan(arg(z)) is undefined ?

Solve the following:
\displaystyle <br /> \frac{a}{2}+\frac{b}{10} = 0

\displaystyle <br /> \frac{3b}{10}-\frac{a}{2}=-4​
You made a simple error.

Thanks. I got those two equations, and just noticed that I'd missed copying a negative. OK yay! I got the answer.

But yes, the solution does say "arg z = -pi/2 which is undefined ". After that it does go to say that tan(arg(z)) is undefined and solves a quadratic equation with two sets of solutions, the other being the one I got originally because of a copying error. When I saw the solution I was worried I'd completely missed out on the two sets of solutions and gotten the wrong one. Thanks again!
 
Anielka said:
Thanks. I got those two equations, and just noticed that I'd missed copying a negative. OK yay! I got the answer.

But yes, the solution does say "arg z = -pi/2 which is undefined ".
That's very peculiar grammar! It gives a specific value and then tells you it is "undefined'? those two statements cannot possibly both be true. Go back and read it carefully. It it really does say, that, laugh and go on. And if you misread it, laugh and go on anyway!

After that it does go to say that tan(arg(z)) is undefined and solves a quadratic equation with two sets of solutions, the other being the one I got originally because of a copying error. When I saw the solution I was worried I'd completely missed out on the two sets of solutions and gotten the wrong one. Thanks again!
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
4K
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
Replies
9
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
1K
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K