Under-damped simple harmonic motion solution derivation

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the solution for under-damped simple harmonic motion, specifically focusing on the differential equation governing the motion and the methods for deriving the solution. Participants explore various approaches, including the use of Laplace transforms and substitutions involving complex numbers.

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  • One participant presents a detailed derivation using Laplace transforms, expressing confidence in the derived frequency but uncertainty about the amplitude and phase.
  • Another participant suggests a standard method involving substitutions for the constants to simplify the derivation, emphasizing the use of complex numbers.
  • Some participants propose using dimensionless parameters for damping and frequency to facilitate the analysis of the system's behavior.
  • There is mention of the potential for non-real roots in the characteristic equation, depending on the damping ratio.
  • Participants express varying preferences for different methods, with some favoring the use of substitutions and others preferring a more straightforward approach.

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There is no consensus on the best method for deriving the solution, as participants present multiple approaches and express differing opinions on their effectiveness. Some participants agree on the utility of substitutions and complex numbers, while others prefer the original derivation method.

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Participants acknowledge the complexity of the derivation process and the potential for errors, indicating that different methods may lead to varying levels of clarity and ease of understanding.

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This discussion may be useful for students and practitioners interested in the mathematical modeling of damped harmonic systems, particularly those seeking to understand different derivation techniques and their implications.

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I have learned in 1st year that the under-damped simple harmonic motion can be described by the differential equation m \frac {d^2 x} {dt^2} + b \frac {dx} {dt} + kx = 0 where m is the mass, b is the constant of linear drag and k is the spring constant

But the derivation is skipped and only the solution is given, which is x(t) = x_m e^{-\frac {bt} {2m}} \cos(\omega' t + \phi) Recently, I have learned Laplace transform on YT, so I try to come up with my own derivation, which is as followed.
m \frac {d^2 x} {dt^2} + b \frac {dx} {dt} + kx = 0
m s^2 X(s) - m s x(0) - m x'(0) + b s X(s) - b x(0) + k X(s) = 0
Let the initial displacement = x(0) = x_0, initial velocity = x'(0) = 0
m s^2 X(s) - m s x_0 + b s X(s) - b x_0 + k X(s) = 0
X(s) (m s^2 + b s + k) = x_0 (m s + b)
X(s) = x_0 \frac {m s + b} {m s^2 + b s + k}
X(s) = x_0 \frac {s + \frac {b} {m}} {s^2 + \frac {b} {m} s + \frac {k} {m}}
Complete the square,
X(s) = x_0 \frac {s + \frac {b} {m}} { (s^2 + \frac {b} {m} s + \frac {b^2} {4 m^2}) + \frac {k} {m} - \frac {b^2} {4 m^2}}
X(s) = x_0 \frac { (s + \frac {b} {2m}) + \frac {b} {2m} } { (s + \frac {b} {2m})^2 + \frac {k} {m} - \frac {b^2} {4 m^2} }
X(s) = x_0 \left [ \frac { s + \frac {b} {2m} } { (s + \frac {b} {2m})^2 + \frac {k} {m} - \frac {b^2} {4 m^2} } + \frac { \frac {b} {2m} } { (s + \frac {b} {2m})^2 + \frac {k} {m} - \frac {b^2} {4 m^2} } \right ]
Apply the First Shifting Theorem,
x(t) = x_0 e^{- \frac {b} {2m} t } \cos \left ( \sqrt{\frac {k} {m} - \frac {b^2} {4 m^2}} t \right ) + x_0 \frac {b} {2m} \frac {1} { \sqrt { \frac {k} {m} - \frac {b^2} {4 m^2} } } e^{- \frac {b} {2m} t } \sin \left ( \sqrt{\frac {k} {m} - \frac {b^2} {4 m^2}} t \right )
x(t) = x_0 e^{- \frac {b} {2m} t } \cos \left ( \frac { \sqrt{4 k m - b^2} } {2 m} t \right ) + x_0 \frac {b} {2m} \frac {2 m} { \sqrt{4 k m - b^2} } e^{- \frac {b} {2m} t } \sin \left ( \frac { \sqrt{4 k m - b^2} } {2 m} t \right )
x(t) = x_0 e^{- \frac {b} {2m} t } \cos \left ( \frac { \sqrt{4 k m - b^2} } {2 m} t \right ) + x_0 \frac {b} { \sqrt {4 k m - b^2} } e^{- \frac {b} {2m} t } \sin \left ( \frac { \sqrt{4 k m - b^2} } {2 m} t \right )
To convert the answer into the form x_m e^{-\frac {bt} {2m}} \cos(\omega' t + \phi), we must compute the hypotenuse of the triangle with side 1 and \frac {b} { \sqrt {4 k m - b^2} }
\sqrt{ 1^2 + \frac {b^2} {4 k m - b^2} }
= \sqrt{ \frac {4 k m - b^2 + b^2} {4 k m - b^2} }
= 2 \sqrt{ \frac {k m} {4 k m - b^2} }
x(t) = 2 x_0 e^{- \frac {b} {2m} t } \sqrt{ \frac {k m} {4 k m - b^2} } \left [ \frac {1} { 2 \sqrt{ \frac {k m} {4 k m - b^2} } } \cos \left ( \frac { \sqrt{4 k m - b^2} } {2 m} t \right ) + \frac { \frac {b} { \sqrt {4 k m - b^2} } } { 2 \sqrt{ \frac {k m} {4 k m - b^2} } } \sin \left ( \frac { \sqrt{4 k m - b^2} } {2 m} t \right ) \right ]
If \cos \phi = \frac {1} { 2 \sqrt{ \frac {k m} {4 k m - b^2} } }, then \sin \phi = \frac { \frac {b} { \sqrt {4 k m - b^2} } } { 2 \sqrt{ \frac {k m} {4 k m - b^2} } }

By \cos(A) \cos(B) + \sin(A) \sin(B) = \cos(A-B),
x(t) = 2 x_0 e^{- \frac {b} {2m} t } \sqrt{ \frac {k m} {4 k m - b^2} } \cos \left [ \frac { \sqrt{4 k m - b^2} } {2 m} t - \arccos \left ( \frac {1} {2} \sqrt{ \frac {4 k m - b^2} {k m} } \right ) \right ]
Is the derivation correct?
I am pretty confident with \omega' = \frac { \sqrt{4 k m - b^2} } {2 m}
However, I am not so sure about the amplitude and the phase. Is the following true?
x_m = 2 x_0 \sqrt{ \frac {k m} {4 k m - b^2} }
and
\phi = \arccos \left ( \frac {1} {2} \sqrt{ \frac {4 k m - b^2} {k m} } \right ) = \arcsin \left ( \frac { \frac {b} { \sqrt {4 k m - b^2} } } { 2 \sqrt{ \frac {k m} {4 k m - b^2} } } \right ) = \arcsin \left ( \frac {b} {2 \sqrt{k m} } \right )
Finally, is there an easier way to come up to a solution? Doing these seems to be very exhausting and prone to careless mistakes. Also, I want to learn about over-damping and critical damping. Isn't the same differential equation apply? What are their differences? Thanks for reading my question! I know it is long!
 
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Sorry, haven't checked your working.

But there is an easier way, and it's the standard method! Start by replacing the constants by different ones that will be easier to work with. Specifically, put \frac{b}{m}=2c and put
\frac{k}{m}=\omega_0^2. [You should recognise that \omega_0 is the angular frequency of the system if b = 0 (no damping).

At this stage we need to know if you've worked with complex numbers.The neatest method (imo) uses these. It starts by noting that x = Ae^{\lambda t} must fit the equation, because if we make this substitution, x comes out as a common factor of all three terms, so the equation will hold good for all values of t, provided that \lambda^2 + 2c\lambda + \omega_0^2 = 0. I should have said that \lambda is a constant. You can find it from the quadratic equation, which will have non-real roots if c < \omega_0. At this stage you really do need to be able to manipulate complex numbers...
 
Philip Wood said:
Sorry, haven't checked your working.

But there is an easier way, and it's the standard method! Start by replacing the constants by different ones that will be easier to work with. Specifically, put \frac{b}{m}=2c and put
\frac{k}{m}=\omega_0^2.

I've seen that version in some textbooks, but I think its even better to let ##\frac k m = \omega_0^2## amd ##\frac b m = 2c\omega_0##. That has the advantage that ##c## is dimensionless (exercise for the OP, check that, using the dimensions of ##m##, ##b## and ##k##) and ##c < 1##, ##c = 1##, and ##c > 1## for under, critical, and over damping.

In fact, you can go a step further, and let ##X(\omega_0 t) = x(t)##, which simplifies the equation from ##\ddot x + 2 c \omega_0 \dot x + \omega_0^2 x = 0## to ##\ddot X + 2 c \dot X + X = 0##. Physically, that just means you are measuring time in units of the angular frequency of the undamped vibration, not in seconds.
 
I rather like \frac{b}{m}=2c \omega_0, but using X(\omega_{0}t) in place of x(t) is a sophistication too far for me. It's a matter of taste.
 
AlephZero said:
I've seen that version in some textbooks, but I think its even better to let ##\frac k m = \omega_0^2## amd ##\frac b m = 2c\omega_0##. That has the advantage that ##c## is dimensionless (exercise for the OP, check that, using the dimensions of ##m##, ##b## and ##k##) and ##c < 1##, ##c = 1##, and ##c > 1## for under, critical, and over damping.

In fact, you can go a step further, and let ##X(\omega_0 t) = x(t)##, which simplifies the equation from ##\ddot x + 2 c \omega_0 \dot x + \omega_0^2 x = 0## to ##\ddot X + 2 c \dot X + X = 0##. Physically, that just means you are measuring time in units of the angular frequency of the undamped vibration, not in seconds.

Philip Wood said:
Sorry, haven't checked your working.

But there is an easier way, and it's the standard method! Start by replacing the constants by different ones that will be easier to work with. Specifically, put \frac{b}{m}=2c and put
\frac{k}{m}=\omega_0^2. [You should recognise that \omega_0 is the angular frequency of the system if b = 0 (no damping).

At this stage we need to know if you've worked with complex numbers.The neatest method (imo) uses these. It starts by noting that x = Ae^{\lambda t} must fit the equation, because if we make this substitution, x comes out as a common factor of all three terms, so the equation will hold good for all values of t, provided that \lambda^2 + 2c\lambda + \omega_0^2 = 0. I should have said that \lambda is a constant. You can find it from the quadratic equation, which will have non-real roots if c &lt; \omega_0. At this stage you really do need to be able to manipulate complex numbers...

Thanks a lot! It sounds silly but I haven't heard of the standard method yet. OK I will try to use substitutions followed by using complex number (Euler's equation is useful!) to get a neat and mistake-free derivation.
 
You can always come back and post again if you get stuck. Good luck!
 

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