Understanding Angular Magnification for Objects at Different Distances

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The discussion revolves around the concept of angular magnification, particularly in relation to objects at different distances, including those at infinity. Participants explore the relationship between linear and angular magnification and question the claims made in a textbook regarding these concepts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how magnification can be defined for images at infinity, suggesting that it is difficult to measure an angle in such cases.
  • Another participant counters by pointing out that even distant celestial objects can be perceived at an angle, using constellations as an example.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between linear and angular magnification, with one participant asserting that closer objects should yield greater linear and angular magnification, which seems to contradict the textbook's claim.
  • Another participant clarifies that linear magnification does not necessarily correlate with angular magnification, providing an example where a taller image at a greater distance subtends a smaller angle.
  • A participant mentions creating a visual representation to support their understanding of angular magnification, noting that their method of measuring angles may differ from the textbook's approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between linear and angular magnification, with no consensus reached on the accuracy of the textbook's claims or the methods of measuring angles.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the definitions of magnification and the conditions under which they apply remain unresolved. The discussion also highlights the potential for different methods of measuring angles to yield varying interpretations of magnification.

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In my textbook when talking about magnification, said "You will notice that there is slightly greater magnification when the image is focussed at the near point of the eye [i.e 25cm] than when the eye is relaxed and the image is at infinity."

I assume they are talking about angular magnification.

How is this true?

The first question is how do you get a magnification if the image is at infinity? Because you can't locate where the image is hence can't measure an angle either?
 
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pivoxa15 said:
how do you get a magnification if the image is at infinity? Because you can't locate where the image is hence can't measure an angle either?

Look up at a constellation tonight. The image you see (scorpio or orion say) is effectively an infinite distance from you, and yet you can measure an angle. You can look at the seven sisters, then pull out your binoculars and actually count (uh... is it seven?) them.
 
cesiumfrog said:
Look up at a constellation tonight. The image you see (scorpio or orion say) is effectively an infinite distance from you, and yet you can measure an angle. You can look at the seven sisters, then pull out your binoculars and actually count (uh... is it seven?) them.

okay. But the closer the object is to the focus, the greater the linear magnification. This also implies greater angular magnification wouldn't it. So it would be contray to the information in the book.
 
Linear magnification does not necessarily imply angular magnification (if the image is slightly taller than the original, but much further back, then it will subtend a smaller angle).
 
cesiumfrog said:
Linear magnification does not necessarily imply angular magnification (if the image is slightly taller than the original, but much further back, then it will subtend a smaller angle).

Good point. I have created a picture to show what is happening which matches what the textbook say. That is there is greater angular magnification for objects not at the focus.

Ironically, in the textbook they measured the angle from the top ray which is identical for both objects. Is my way of measuring the angle from the bottom ray correct?
 

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