Understanding Angular Momentum and Energy Equations

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The discussion revolves around the differentiation of equations related to angular momentum and energy in polar coordinates. A participant expresses confusion over their differentiation results, specifically between equations 9.7a and 9.8b. Others prompt clarification on the use of the product rule during differentiation, highlighting the importance of correctly handling terms involving angular acceleration. The conversation reveals a realization that assuming angular acceleration is zero led to errors in the calculations. Ultimately, the participant finds the correct solution by applying the angular momentum formula, indicating a successful resolution to their initial confusion.
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Homework Statement
1. Obtain Eqs.(9.7a and b) by differentiating Eqs.(9.8a and b) with respect to time.
Relevant Equations
Aceleration in a polar coordinates and energy and momentum angular in a central force motion
Since the equations are, actually, the question, i will post the image with relevant equations here:

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it seems strange, I'm almost sure that I didn't make a mistake in the differentiation, but differentiating 9.8b I found 9.7a with both positive terms
 
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LCSphysicist said:
Homework Statement:: 1. Obtain Eqs.(9.7a and b) by differentiating Eqs.(9.8a and b) with respect to time.
Relevant Equations:: Aceleration in a polar coordinates and energy and momentum angular in a central force motion

Since the equations are, actually, the question, i will post the image with relevant equations here:

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it seems strange, I'm almost sure that I didn't make a mistake in the differentiation, but differentiating 9.8b I found 9.7a with both positive terms
Did you remember to differentiate ##r^2\dot\theta^2## using the product rule?
 
haruspex said:
Did you remember to differentiate ##r^2\dot\theta^2## using the product rule?
Yes, will post soon.
 
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[This solution is actually equal to my solution, which is, unfortunately, not equal to equation nine.seven a]

Assuming theta two dots equal zero.
 
LCSphysicist said:
Yes,
No, you didn't.
LCSphysicist said:
Assuming theta two dots equal zero.
Why would you assume that?
 
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haruspex said:
No, you didn't.

Why would you assume that?
I did, just cutted the therm with theta two dots and so don't put in the resolution:

call theta by a
(r²a²')' = 2rr'a²' + 2r²a'a'', if a'' is zero, = 2rr'a²' like the image

But stopping to think now, i really see that [theta]'' is not zero, how to deal with that term?
 
Wow, using L = mw²r i got the answer! thank you
 

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