Understanding Angular Momentum and Equal Areas in Equal Times

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The discussion revolves around understanding angular momentum and its relationship to the area swept out by a particle moving under a central force. The original poster is trying to demonstrate that the magnitude of the cross product of the position vector and velocity vector relates to the rate at which area is swept out by the particle.

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  • The original poster expresses difficulty in visualizing the problem and understanding the geometric implications of the cross product in relation to area. They consider the position vector in a coordinate system and attempt to conceptualize the area being swept out.
  • Some participants question the clarity of the area expression and suggest that knowing the exact expression for the area could be beneficial.
  • Others point out that the relationship between the cross product and the area swept out is evident, indicating a potential oversight in the original poster's reasoning.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and clarifications. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the cross product and the area swept out, but the original poster still seeks a clearer understanding and visualization of the problem.

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The original poster has omitted some details from the problem statement, which may affect the clarity of the discussion. There is a mention of a central force acting on the mass, which is a key assumption in the problem.

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Hi, can someone help me do the following question? (I've cut out some details, leaving the results which might be of help)

Let the vector r represent the displacement from the origin to a moving particle of mass m which is subjected to a force F.

Results which I've been able to arrive at:

[tex] \mathop H\limits^ \to = \mathop r\limits^ \to \times \mathop p\limits^ \to \Rightarrow \frac{{d\mathop H\limits^ \to }}{{dt}} = m\frac{d}{{dt}}\left( {\mathop r\limits^ \to \times \mathop v\limits^ \to } \right) = \mathop r\limits^ \to \times \mathop F\limits^ \to = \mathop M\limits^ \to [/tex]

v is velocity, F is force, p = mv is moment.

If F acts towards the origin then [itex]\frac{d}{{dt}}\left( {\mathop r\limits^ \to \times \mathop v\limits^ \to } \right) = \mathop 0\limits^ \to[/itex].

Now here is what I am having trouble with.

Show that [itex]\left\| {\mathop r\limits^ \to \times \mathop v\limits^ \to } \right\|[/itex] is twice the rate at which the area A is swept out by the vector r, that is,

[tex] \left\| {\mathop r\limits^ \to \times \mathop v\limits^ \to } \right\| = 2\frac{{dA}}{{dt}} = r^2 \frac{{d\theta }}{{dt}}[/tex]

and hence deduce that, when a mass is subject to a central force directed towards the origin, the vector displacement r moves in a plane and sweeps out equal areas in equal times.

I don't know where to start. I can't visualise what is going on in this problem. Norm of r cross v is the area of a parallelogram...ok...but that doesn't tell me much. As for r, it is arbitrary so I can't try to make a picture. I just don't know what to do here. Can someone help me?
 
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The equality between the first and the 3-rd part is obvious, however, it would help if you knew the exact expression for A...

Daniel.
 
Thanks for your input but like I said, the main thing which is preventing me from being able to make any significant progress in this question is that I simply cannot picture what is going on.

Going back to basics I would consider an xyz coordinate system and a curve traced out by a position vector r, tail at the origin and head moving along a curve. I think that the area being referred to in the question is the area 'bounded' below by the position vector and above by the curve. Something like that. But I really can't think of a way to approach this problem.

Oh and p = mv is supposed to be momentum. I typed it as moment.
 
Don't you have the answer right there?

As you said: [itex]\frac{1}{2}||\vec r \times \vec v ||=\frac{d A}{dt}[/itex] is the rate at which the area is swept out.

You also know that [itex]\frac{d}{dt}(\vec r \times \vec v)[/itex] is constant (conservation of angular momentum). So the rate at which the area is swept out is constant. It's staring you in the face.
 

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