Understanding Capacitive Circuits: The Relationship Between Current and Voltage

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The discussion revolves around the concept of "current leads the voltage by 90 degrees" in purely capacitive circuits. Participants explore the terminology and underlying principles related to the relationship between current and voltage in capacitors, including the mathematical framework that describes these relationships.

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  • Some participants seek clarification on the meaning of "current leads the voltage by 90 degrees" in capacitive circuits, expressing confusion about the terminology.
  • One participant explains that the relationship can be understood through differential equations, noting that for capacitors, the current drives the voltage as it charges the capacitor.
  • Another participant emphasizes that current must flow into the capacitor before a voltage can be established across its terminals, suggesting that this is a straightforward way to understand the concept.
  • However, a different viewpoint is presented, arguing that the relationship is not as simple as it seems, as a potential difference is necessary to create current flow in the first place.
  • Participants reference the explanations provided by others, indicating that some find the insights helpful while others express the need for further clarification.

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There is no consensus on the simplicity of the explanation regarding the relationship between current and voltage in capacitive circuits. Some participants agree on the basic principles but express differing views on the clarity and implications of the terminology used.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the use of differential equations to describe the behavior of capacitors and inductors, but the discussion does not resolve the complexities or assumptions involved in these relationships.

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Perhaps some one can explain to me what is meant by "current leads the voltage by 90 degrees"...let this inquiry be in regards to a purely capacitive circuit.

What seems to baffle me is why this terminology is used. Its not like the current just decided to occur before a potenial difference.
 
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XPTPCREWX said:
Perhaps some one can explain to me what is meant by "current leads the voltage by 90 degrees"...let this inquiry be in regards to a purely capacitive circuit.

What seems to baffle me is why this terminology is used. Its not like the current just decided to occur before a potenial difference.

It's easiest to get comfortable with this concept based on the differential equations for the currents and voltages for inductors and capacitors.

For Capacitors, the driving function is the current, which charges up the capacitors:

[tex]v(t) = \frac{1}{C}\int{i(t) dt}[/tex]

The voltage across a capacitor cannot change instantaneously, because that would require an infinite current.

Similarly for Inductors, the driving function is the voltage, which ramps up the current:

[tex]i(t) = \frac{1}{L}\int{v(t) dt}[/tex]

The current in the inductor cannot change instantaneously, bacause that would require an infinite voltage. The current can change very quickly, however, like in a flyback power supply circuit that is pumping a high voltage...

So when we say that the current lags the applied voltage in inductors, or that the voltage lags the applied current in capacitors, we are just saying in words what you get from the differential equations that describe the physics of those components.

And when we say "the current leads the voltage...", we are not describing something non-causal. It's just a bit of a confusing way to state the relationship the other way around, and for a continuous waveform.

Hope that helps.
 
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Really helps...Thanks.
 
XPTPCREWX said:
Perhaps some one can explain to me what is meant by "current leads the voltage by 90 degrees"...let this inquiry be in regards to a purely capacitive circuit.

What seems to baffle me is why this terminology is used. Its not like the current just decided to occur before a potenial difference.

To make it very simple. Before the cap can have any voltage across it's terminals, you need to charge it up. So current has to be pumped into the cap before the cap can charge up to have voltage. Current always have to come first so it lead the voltage! This is the ABC way to explain it!:smile:

Berkeman has given you the detail of the rest.
 
yungman said:
To make it very simple. Before the cap can have any voltage across it's terminals, you need to charge it up. So current has to be pumped into the cap before the cap can charge up to have voltage. Current always have to come first so it lead the voltage! This is the ABC way to explain it!:smile:

Berkeman has given you the detail of the rest.

yungman,

Actually it isn't that simple. there is obviously a potential difference between the applied voltage and the capacitors terminal voltage to create that current flow in the first place.

Berkeman has explained it to me the best so far.
 
XPTPCREWX said:
yungman,

Actually it isn't that simple. there is obviously a potential difference between the applied voltage and the capacitors terminal voltage to create that current flow in the first place.

Berkeman has explained it to me the best so far.


I am glad you are happy with berkeman's answer. This is a very simple question that you find in the first few lessons of AC circuits, so I want to give a very simple answer just in case. I just add this in because there are people that don't do calculus! I was one of those long time ago!
 

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