Understanding Clamping Diodes: Voltage Conditions and Operational Behavior

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The discussion revolves around the operational behavior of clamping diodes, particularly in the context of TTL gate inputs. Participants explore the conditions under which these diodes conduct, focusing on voltage levels, current reduction, and the effects of circuit components like resistors and capacitors.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the clamping diode does not conduct at -2V at the cathode and 0V at the anode, despite being in a forward bias condition, until the current is reduced.
  • Another participant suggests that the diode's IV curve is not linear, indicating that conduction begins at around 0.5 volts and increases rapidly past 0.7 volts, which may explain the observed behavior.
  • There is mention of the potential for real diodes to fail if subjected to excessive forward bias current, particularly at higher voltages.
  • A diagram of a diode clamp is provided, along with a reference to Zener diodes as alternatives for clamping and voltage limiting.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the behavior of the diode under specific conditions, particularly regarding the relationship between current reduction and conduction. The discussion remains unresolved as to the exact reasons for the diode's behavior in the described scenario.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the behavior of the diode may depend on its IV characteristics and the specific circuit configuration, including the influence of components like resistors and capacitors. There is an acknowledgment of the non-linear nature of diode operation.

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I am trying to understand when clamping diode (at TTL gate input) works and when it does not.
The voltage is -2v at cathode and 0v at anode. Fwd bias condition, but the diode does not condut, until the current is reduced.
Why so?
Initially I thought it was because of the fast rise/fall times (1ns), but now in simulation as I reduce the current, it starts to clamp.
Ckt diagram attached. Please ignore the component values.
Current is reduced using Resistor R3.
C1 and R4, produce undershoots. Just a high pass filter with 5Vpk-pk square wave input.
 

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Here's a diode clamp diagram the might help:

clamp.gif


Zener diodes can also clamp and limit the voltage:

zenlim.gif


http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electronic/limiter.html"
 
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dlgoff, My question was why does it conduct only when I reduce the current?
 
likephysics said:
dlgoff, My question was why does it conduct only when I reduce the current?

If you mean reducing the current through the diode in your simulation, you need to understand that a diodes IV curve isn't linear. For silicon diodes, forward biasing conduction begins at about 0.5 volts and when you get to about 0.7 volts and above, the current increase very quickly.

diod6.gif


http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/solids/diod.html"

For real diodes, if you forward bias at 2 volts, the current is so high the diode will open due to failure.
 

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