Understanding Conditional Probabilities

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The problem involves calculating conditional probabilities related to selecting coins from two pockets containing different denominations. The specific question asks for the probability that a randomly selected nickel came from the right pocket.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the correct interpretation of the total number of coins and the probabilities associated with selecting a nickel from each pocket. There is debate over the method of calculating the overall probability of selecting a nickel and the implications of assuming equal likelihood of picking either pocket.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively questioning the assumptions made in the original poster's calculations. Some have suggested alternative approaches to determining the probabilities, while others have pointed out potential errors in the reasoning. There is no clear consensus yet, as different interpretations of the problem are being explored.

Contextual Notes

There is a discussion about the distribution of coins in each pocket and the implications for calculating probabilities. Participants are also considering the impact of the initial assumptions regarding the selection of pockets.

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Homework Statement


Suppose you have 3 nickels and 4 dimes in your right pocket and 2 nickels and a quarter in your left pocket. You pick a pocket at random and from it select a coin at random. If it is a nickel, what is the probability that it came from your right pocket?

2. The attempt at a solution

Let N be the event of picking a nickel, and R be the event of picking the right pocket.

My understanding is as follows:

What the question is asking for is [itex]P_{N}(R)[/itex], that is, the probability of picking the right pocket, given that you already picked a nickel.

I understand that
[itex]P(NR) = P(N)\bullet P_{N}(R)[/itex].

I figured that [itex]P(NR) = \frac{1}{2}\frac{3}{7}[/itex] because there is a 50% chance I pick the right pocket and then a 3/7th chance that within that pocket I pick a nickel.

If I am making a mistake I suspect this is it.

Then I also figured that [itex]P(N)=\frac{5}{10}[/itex] since out of the total 10 coins in both pockets, 5 of them are nickels.

So I simply solved for [itex]P_{N}(R)[/itex] and I got [itex]\frac{3}{7}[/itex], which is wrong.

But where is my logic incorrect?
 
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P(N) looks wrong, you cannot say that there are 5 total nickels and 10 total coins. Instead, you have to sum the probability of picking a nickel out of the right pocket and picking a nickel out of the left pocket.
 
Yes, you can say "there are 5 total nickels and 10 total coins". That is given. What you cannot do is say "there is a 50% chance I pick the right pocket" when that is the probability you are asked to find.

You have a total of 5 nickels, three in your left pocket and two in your right. If you take a nickel out of your pockets, the probability it came from your right pocket is 2/5.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Yes, you can say "there are 5 total nickels and 10 total coins". That is given.

You're right, what I meant to say was that you cannot use that fact alone to find his P(N), you need to know the distribution in each pocket.But the answer I got was 9/23.
There is a 3/7 chance of picking a nickel out of the right pocket, and a 2/3 chance of picking a nickel out of the left pocket. So the probability of the nickel coming from the right pocket is [itex]\frac{\frac{3}{7}}{\frac{3}{7} + \frac{2}{3}} = \frac{9}{23}[/itex].

Unless my logic is wrong.
 

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