Understanding Curl: How to Evaluate Line Integrals and Taylor Expansions

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The discussion revolves around the concept of curl in vector calculus, specifically in the context of evaluating line integrals and using Taylor expansions for velocity components. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the application of these concepts in a problem involving line integrals of a velocity vector field.

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the relationship between curl and line integrals, specifically how to evaluate the integral of the velocity components expanded around a point. Some participants question the accuracy of the Taylor expansion provided by the original poster and suggest corrections to the expressions for Vx and Vy.

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Participants are actively engaging in clarifying the Taylor expansion and its implications for the evaluation of line integrals. There is a mix of corrections and suggestions being offered, with no clear consensus yet on the evaluation process itself.

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There is mention of a specific setup involving a rectangular path for the line integral, and the discussion includes considerations of ignoring higher-order derivative terms. The original poster has acknowledged a potential error in their initial equation, indicating a need for further clarification.

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Hello All ..
How are you ? I hope you fine

Our professor taught as about the meaning of curl , but I was totally confused about it , especially when he used Taylor expansion of two variables and line integrals

It’s like this

Sorry for the very bad diagram in attachments , where delta means ∆
∮▒(V.) ⃗ dλ ⃗
= ∮▒〖(Vxdx+Vydy)〗
Where Vy and Vx are velocity vector component
Then he expanded Vx and Vy about p
Vx = Vx(p) + ∂Vx/∂x(p) (x-xo)+ ∂Vy/∂y(p) (y-yo)
Vx = Vx(p) + ∂Vx/∂x(p) (x-xo)+ ∂Vy/∂y(p) (y-yo)

I want hinge explanation please about the above point ..
Then he asked us to evaluate the line integral for
∮▒(Vxdx+Vydy)
( By the expanded bionomials ) , the linear integral is from A TO B then form B TO C the from C TO D
He said the result should be
(∂Vy/∂y- ∂Vx/∂x)∆x∆y= Curl (V ⃗ )z
But HOW
Please .. I want aalso a hinge explanation for this .. and thanks
 

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Hello A New Learner! Welcome to PF! :smile:
A New Learner said:
Hello All ..
How are you ? I hope you fine

I'm very well, thankyou. :wink:
…Then he expanded Vx and Vy about p
Vx = Vx(p) + ∂Vx/∂x(p) (x-xo)+ ∂Vy/∂y(p) (y-yo)
Vx = Vx(p) + ∂Vx/∂x(p) (x-xo)+ ∂Vy/∂y(p) (y-yo)

(∂Vy/∂y- ∂Vx/∂x)∆x∆y= Curl (V ⃗ )z

No, they should be …

Vx = Vx(p) + ∂Vx/∂x(p) (x-xo)+ ∂Vx/∂y(p) (y-yo)
Vy = Vy(p) + ∂Vy/∂x(p) (x-xo)+ ∂Vy/∂y(p) (y-yo)

(and although you can use Taylor's theorem to get these, you don't need to … they follow directly from the definition of the derivative of a function)

(∂Vy/∂x- ∂Vx/∂y)∆x∆y= Curl (V ⃗ )z :smile:
 
tiny-tim

thank you so much for your help .. and I'm sorry for the wrong writing of the equation ..
but I'm still wondering how to evaluate these linear integerals

Best Wishes ..
 
A New Learner said:
tiny-tim

thank you so much for your help .. and I'm sorry for the wrong writing of the equation ..
but I'm still wondering how to evaluate these linear integerals

Best Wishes ..

Hi A New Learner! :smile:

To start you off:

you're going round all four sides of that rectangle …

so the first side will be from xo, yo to xo + ∆x, yo …

so integrate Vxdx + Yydy along that, ignoring any terms with more than two derivatives, and then the same along the other three sides. :wink:
 

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