Understanding Definite Integrals: Solving for Limits and Antiderivatives

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The discussion revolves around the application of the fundamental theorem of calculus in evaluating definite integrals, specifically focusing on the integration of polynomial functions and the use of substitution methods. The original poster is attempting to solve integrals involving expressions like \(2\pi\int_{0}^{2}x^3\sqrt{1+9x^4}dx\) and \(2\pi\int_{4}^{9}\sqrt{x+\frac{1}{4}}dx\).

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  • The original poster attempts to evaluate definite integrals using substitution but encounters discrepancies between their results and those provided in the textbook. Some participants suggest evaluating expressions numerically to compare results, while others question the limits of integration used in the substitution process.

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The discussion is active, with participants exploring different interpretations of the substitution method and the limits of integration. Some guidance has been offered regarding the importance of maintaining consistent variable limits during substitution, and there is acknowledgment of confusion regarding the transition between variables.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of definite integrals and substitution, with some expressing uncertainty about the correct application of the fundamental theorem of calculus. There is mention of specific numerical results that differ from expected outcomes, indicating potential misunderstandings in the setup or evaluation of the integrals.

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Hi,

So this might be overwhelmingly stupid... But the fundamental theorem of calculus states:
[tex]\int_{a}^{b}f(x)dx=F(b)-F(a)[/tex]
Where F is any antiderivative of f.

So I have this very simple integral that I'm trying to solve...:

[tex]2\pi\int_{0}^{2}x^3\sqrt{1+9x^4}dx\rightarrow \ u=1+9x^4[/tex]
[tex]=\frac{\pi}{18}*\frac{2}{3}u^{3/2}\mid_{1}^{145}=\frac{\pi}{27}(1+9x^4)^{3/2}\mid_{1}^{145}[/tex]

For the answer, I'm given the following:
[tex]\frac{\pi}{27}(145\sqrt{145}-1)[/tex]

However, when I use the fundamental theorem of calculus, I get something nasty:
[tex]\frac{\pi}{27}[(1+9(145)^4)^{3/2}-(1+9(1)^4)^{3/2}][/tex]
[tex]\mbox{calculator gives}=\frac{2}{27}[(1989227813\sqrt{1989227813}-5\sqrt{5})*\pi*\sqrt{2}]}[/tex]

I don't know why I keep getting the wrong thing. I'm obviously making some sort of stupid error. Any suggestions?
 
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Plug the two expressions (yours and the calculator's) into your calculator to evaluate them as numbers.
 
The long one is 2.91x10^13
The shorter one with the sqrt(145) comes to 203.044...
 
Why are you evaluating from 1 to 145? Those are the limits for u, not x.

Either keep it in terms of u and evaluate from 1 to 145 or change it back to x (extra work) and evaluate from 0 to 2:

[tex]=\frac{\pi}{27}u^{3/2}\mid_{1}^{145}=\frac{\pi}{27}(1+9x^4)^{3/2}\mid_{0}^{2}[/tex]

In that line it's pointless to change back to x since it's a definite integral. Just evaluate u from 1 to 145 and you're done.
 
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Ah.

There's the confusion. ...For some reason I guess I thought I had to replace the u by x as with indefinite integrals.

Thanks much for helping me realize my mistake.Thanks,
Heather
 
There's nothing stopping you from rewriting it in terms of x, but like I said you have to be careful to write the limits in terms of x. Plus, it's just easier to keep things in u.
 
Here's another problem where I'm screwing up the substitution... I've got the limits straight, (thanks to you), but I don't know why I'm getting this wrong.

[tex]2\pi\int_{4}^{9}\sqrt{x+\frac{1}{4}dx}\rightarrow \ u=x+\frac{1}{4} \\ = 2\pi\int_{17/4}^{37/4}\sqrt{u}du \\ =2\pi*\frac{2}{3}u^{3/2}\mid_{17/4}^{37/4}[/tex]

Somewhere along the line, my integral is supposed to come out to this:
[tex]2\pi*\frac{1}{6}(4x+1)^{3/2}[/tex]

...Incorrect substitution...??
u=x+1/4
du=dx

Either way, my answer is off by 1/2 when I get down to it with what I've done.

My answer:
[tex]\frac{\pi}{3}(37\sqrt{37}-17\sqrt{17})[/tex]
The book's answer:
[tex]\frac{\pi}{6}(37\sqrt{37}-17\sqrt{17})[/tex]
 
Nevermind. I figured this out. Quick multiplication happened as a result of me not moving the denominators out of the expression with the limits plugged in.

With the correction, I get the correct pi/6 multiplier.

I would however like to know how the book and how maple is getting the answer with the 1/6 multiplier... Can someone explain that?
...It's different from what I got.
 
Is
[tex]2\pi*\frac{1}{6}(4x+1)^{3/2}[/tex]
what you got, or what your book/maple got?
 
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what the book/maple got for the integral w/out limits
 

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