Understanding Definite Integrals: Tips and Examples for Beginners

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The discussion focuses on understanding definite integrals and their applications in calculating distance traveled by a particle. A participant explores how to find the distance using the definite integral of velocity over time and questions the implications of changing the lower limit of integration to a negative value. Clarification is sought on the relationship between the derivative of a definite integral and the function itself, leading to confusion about constants and their derivatives. The conversation highlights the importance of recognizing that the upper limit of integration affects the result and that the derivative of a constant is zero. Overall, the participants engage in a detailed examination of fundamental concepts related to definite integrals and their properties.
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i start to study integrals, i couldn't understand some things.
definite integrals i didnt understand, ill show it on some eg. on v as derivative of disaonce s.

the eg. was to calc how many distance s = ? does a particle travell when we throw it in air (up) and v reaches 0.
so in time t = 0 we have v0 = 10 m/s. The v(t) is a linear func decreasing and reaches 0 at time t1.
So the distance s is the definite integral of v(t) on intervals t0 and t1, so it is the surface under the v(t) from t0 to t1.
Im ok since here, i wondered where is this integral on a s(t) graph, i asked my friend and he told me theat this surface is at t1 as s(t1). Then i wondered how would i find some s(t) at some time between t0 and t1, and ocured to me i would take definite integral from t0 to some time t<t1, i would calc it and i would have some s(t<t1).
But now what i don't understand is what would happen if i move t0 to some t0<0, and then calc definite integral from t0<0 to t1 and what would i get??

some other thing i don't understand is:
in my book it says the derivative od definite integral is f(x)
\frac{d}{dx} \int_{a}^{x} f(t)dt = f(x)

isnt it when we take definite integral of same func we get a number (rapresenting the surface under the function), so the derivative of a number is 0 not f(x)
 
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ryt said:
some other thing i don't understand is:
in my book it says the derivative od definite integral is f(x)
\frac{d}{dx} \int_{a}^{x} f(t)dt = f(x)

isnt it when we take definite integral of same func we get a number (rapresenting the surface under the function), so the derivative of a number is 0 not f(x)

Notice that the superior bound of the integral is x. So if f(x) has a primitive (i.e. if there exists a function F(x) such that F'(x)=f(x)), then \int_a^x f(t) dt=F(x)-F(a). You can now differentiate this with respect to x, and you get just f(x), since F'(x)=f and F'(a)=0.

(Note that as soon as f is continuous on (a,b), it has a primitive on (a,b))
 
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thx

how do u know F'(a)=0 ??
 
He meant differentiate f(a) (which is a number) with respect to x, not evaluate f'(x) at a.
 
quasar987 said:
Notice that the superior bound of the integral is x. So if f(x) has a primitive (i.e. if there exists a function F(x) such that F'(x)=f(x)), then \int_a^x f(t) dt=F(x)-F(a). You can now differentiate this with respect to x, and you get just f(x), since F'(x)=f and F'(a)=0.

(Note that as soon as f is continuous on (a,b), it has a primitive on (a,b))

No, F'(a) is not 0, it is f(a). What you may have meant to say is that F(a= \int_a^a f(t)dt)= 0.
 
?!

But Halls, if you agree that that if F is a primitive of f, then the derivative of the function G(x) =\int_a^x f(t) dt=F(x)-F(a), is F'(x) + \frac{d}{dx}F(a), but F(a) is a constant, so that's 0.
 
the derivative of F(a) (for a a constant) is not the same as F'(a).
 
ok sorry about the bad notation..
 
thx :) i understand it now
 

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