Understanding Doppler Shift for Light in Special Relativity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the Doppler shift of light in the context of special relativity, particularly addressing how wavelength and frequency can change while the speed of light remains constant for all observers. Participants explore the implications of Lorentz transformations on light waves and the nature of wave invariance.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how Doppler shifts can occur if the speed of light is constant for all observers, suggesting a misunderstanding of the relationship between speed, wavelength, and frequency.
  • Another participant explains that the frequency of a light wave is related to the time-like component of its 4-vector, which is not invariant under Lorentz transformations, implying that energy is frame dependent.
  • A third participant states that the equation ## c=\lambda\nu ## indicates that both wavelength and frequency can change while keeping the speed of light constant.
  • A later reply reiterates the initial question about Doppler shifts and introduces the concept of wave phase invariance, discussing how the wave vector transforms under Lorentz transformations to account for the Doppler effect.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between the constancy of the speed of light and the variability of wavelength and frequency. There is no consensus on the interpretation of these concepts, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference Lorentz transformations and the invariance of wave phase, but the discussion does not fully resolve the implications of these transformations on the Doppler effect for light.

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How do Doppler shifts work for light if, according to special relativity, light is constant velocity for all observers? So if c is unchanged, then surely wavelength and frequency don't change.

I appreciate that I must be misunderstanding something, because redshift on stars occurs, but I am struggling to explain why.

Thanks in advance for any help :)
 
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The frequency of a light wave corresponds to the time-like component of the wave 4-vector of a light wave, and components of 4-vectors are not invariant under non-trivial Lorentz transformations. More generally, energy is a frame dependent quantity. Why should wavelength and frequency of light waves be unchanged between inertial frames just because ##c## is unchanged between inertial frames? They can scale inversely under Lorentz transformations so as to cancel out any change in their ratio.
 
## c=\lambda\nu## is the equation relating velocity and wavelength and frequency. So both can change while keeping c constant.

[edit. got it wrong first time]
 
SteveDC said:
How do Doppler shifts work for light if, according to special relativity, light is constant velocity for all observers? So if c is unchanged, then surely wavelength and frequency don't change.
One thing which is the same in all rest frames is the phase of the wave. That is, for example, the wave crest always remains a wave crest. A typical wave is exp(i(kx - ωt), where the phase is kx - ωt, or equivalently since ω = ck, the phase is k(x - ct). This quantity must be an invariant.

Under a Lorentz transformation,

x' = γ(x - vt)
t' = γ(t - v/c2 x)

implying that x - ct just picks up an overall factor:

x' - ct' = γ(1 - v/c)(x - ct) = √((1 - v/c)(1 + v/c)) (x - ct)

Invariance requires that the wave vector k picks up the inverse factor:

k' = √((1 + v/c)(1 - v/c)) k

which represents the Doppler shift.
 

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