Velocity Addition and Doppler Effect: Explained

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the Doppler effect of light, particularly how it relates to classical and relativistic velocity addition. Participants explore the implications of time dilation on the Doppler effect and the conditions under which different frequency shifts occur, including the transverse Doppler effect. The conversation includes theoretical considerations and empirical observations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the relationship between classical and relativistic velocity additions in the context of the Doppler effect.
  • Another participant argues that velocity addition is not necessary for understanding the Doppler effect, suggesting that the wavelength can be derived from the distance traveled by the wave and the source, incorporating time dilation effects on frequency.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes the use of Lorentz transformations and the properties of wave-fourvectors to analyze frequency changes without relying on velocity addition.
  • Participants discuss the conditions for maximum blue and red shifts based on the relative motion of the source and observer, including the effects of motion perpendicular to the light propagation direction.
  • One participant inquires about the empirical observation of the transverse Doppler effect, noting limited publications on the subject.
  • Another participant provides a link to a review article that discusses empirical confirmations of the transverse Doppler effect, suggesting further reading.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit varying perspectives on the necessity of velocity addition in explaining the Doppler effect, with some advocating for its relevance while others contest this view. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the empirical observations of the transverse Doppler effect, with differing opinions on the adequacy of existing literature.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the applicability of classical versus relativistic models, as well as the scope of empirical evidence for the transverse Doppler effect.

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The Doppler effect of light corresponds to the classical Doppler effect corrected by time dilation, but the first one is obtained with classical velocity additions (c+v at the front of the source and c-v at the back) whereas velocity addition of special relativity gives c at the front and c at the back.. please can you explain my confusion?
 
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Velocity addition does not come into this. Simply observe that the source moves a distance ##v/f## in the time it takes (in your frame) to emit one wave. Thus the wavelength is ##c/f\pm v/f## (i.e., the distance traveled by the wave plus or minus the distance traveled by the source). This is the same as the Newtonian derivation. The only change you need to make is to note that due to time dilation, ##f=f_0/\gamma##, where ##f_0## is the frequency measured by the source.
 
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You don't need the somewhat cumbersome velocity additions (at least not for free em. fields). You just have to consider that the phase of a plane-wave solution, ##\omega/c t-\vec{k} \cdot \vec{x}=k_{\mu} x^{\mu}## is a Lorentz scalar, which implies that ##k_{\mu}## is a Lorentz vector. So you can just using a Lorentz boost to transform the components of the wave-fourvector ##k^{\mu}## wrt. an inertial frame to any other inertial frame.

If you are only interested in the change of the frequency of the light as seen from different observers, you only need to know that it can only depend on the relative velocity between the light source and the observer. So let ##u^{\mu}=\gamma(1,\vec{\beta})## be the four-velocity (normalized to 1) of the light source in the reference frame of the observer. Now it's most convenient to refer to the frequency of the light ##\omega_0## in the restframe of the light source. It is a Lorentz invariant and given by
$$\omega_0/c=u_{\mu} k^{\mu}=\gamma (\omega/c -\vec{\beta} \cdot \vec{k}).$$
Now with ##\vec{k}=k \vec{n}## and the dispersion relation ##k=\omega/c## you get
$$\omega_0=\gamma \omega (1-\vec{\beta} \cdot \vec{n})$$
or
$$\omega=\frac{\omega_0}{\gamma (1-\vec{\beta} \cdot \vec{n})}.$$
Now take the extreme cases: ##\vec{\beta}=\beta \vec{n}##, i.e., the light-source travels in the diretion of wave propagation (i.e., towards the observer). This gives ##\gamma(1-\beta)=\sqrt{(1-\beta)/(1+\beta)}## and thus
$$\omega_{\text{max blue}}=\sqrt{\frac{1+\beta}{1-\beta}} \omega_0.$$
This is the maximal blue shift you can get compared to the frequency in the rest frame of the light source. For the maximal redshift you have to set ##\vec{\beta}=-\beta \vec{n}## (source moving away from observer):
$$\omega_{\text{max red}}=\sqrt{\frac{1-\beta}{1+\beta}} \omega_0.$$
Then a specifically relativistic effect is that there's also a shift if the source moves perpendicular to the light-propagation direction, i.e., for ##\vec{\beta} \cdot \vec{n}=0##:
$$\omega_{\perp}=\frac{\omega_0}{\gamma}=\sqrt{1-\beta^2} \omega_0,$$
i.e., you have a red shift, which is of course purely due to time dilation between the light-source restframe and the observer's frame. That's the transverse Doppler effect.
 
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vanhees71 said:
that's the transverse Doppler effect.
on this subject, do you know if this transverse Doppler effect has been observed. I have only seen one publication! (Hasselkamp1979). It doesn't seem like much for such an important result.
 
thank you I will read this with interest
 

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