Understanding Elliptical Polarization in Radio: Uses and Applications

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The discussion revolves around the uses and applications of elliptical polarization in radio, with a particular focus on circular polarization. Participants explore theoretical and practical aspects, including its relevance in radar and communication technologies.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the practical applications of elliptical polarization in radio, noting a lack of information in their electronics book.
  • Another participant provides a reference to a source discussing circular polarization but mentions uncertainty regarding elliptical polarization applications.
  • A participant identifies helical antennas and cylindrical pipe waveguides as common applications of circular polarization, suggesting their use in radar systems.
  • One participant speculates on the advantages of circular polarization for radar, suggesting it helps in receiving signals from arbitrarily oriented objects.
  • A question is raised about whether all elliptical polarized waves are horizontal and vertical polarized.
  • Another participant explains that circular polarization, a variation of elliptical polarization, has advantages such as reduced multipath effects and its utility in satellite communication.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and uncertainty regarding the applications of elliptical polarization, with some agreeing on the utility of circular polarization in specific contexts while others remain skeptical or unclear about its broader relevance.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on specific definitions of polarization types, and there are unresolved questions about the relationship between elliptical and circular polarization. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the applications of elliptical polarization.

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What is it used for in radio, if at all?

I can't really think of anything (for circular especially) or find anything pertinent to radio.
I ask this because my electronics book mentions it, but only very briefly covers it in the radio propagation chapter.
 
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The most common application of circular polarization in radio is the helical antenna:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helical_antenna

Also cylindrical pipe waveguides can support a circular polarization mode. And microwave cone antennas are circularly polarized. That might be used in some radars.
 
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Ah, I think I can see how it would be used for radar. You most probably won't know how whatever object you're looking at will be oriented towards you, and to get good average signal strength from an arbitrarily tilted object, a picking points from a circle (representing the magnitude of e-flux) would be best?

I hope I'm understanding this correctly. I assume I'm not, because the same would be done with radio towers for greater efficiency.
 
are all ellipltical polarized waves horizontal and vertical polarized
 
Circular polarization, which can be considered a variation of elliptical polarization, has several advantages over linear polarization. First as what suggests circular polarization can be produced with a helical antenna. It can also be produced with a vertical dipole and a horizontal dipole a quarter wavelength apart and a quarter wavelength out of phase.

One advantage of circular polarization is that when the signal is reflected, the polarization is reversed eg. if you start with right hand polarization, after an odd number of reflections it will be left hand polarized. This reduces the effect of multipath on the signal and for this reason it has been used with television to reduce flutter from planes.

Another use has been to communicate with satellites that spin. A circularly polarized antenna will be able to receive the signal regardless of the polarization of the source (provided it doesn't have the opposite circular polarization).
 

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