Understanding Homogeneous Differential Equations

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The discussion revolves around classifying homogeneous differential equations, focusing on the definitions and characteristics of homogeneity in functions and equations. Participants explore specific examples, questioning why certain functions are classified as homogeneous while others are not.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants attempt to understand the definition of homogeneity in the context of differential equations, questioning the implications of the condition f(tx, ty) = t^n f(x, y). They discuss specific examples, such as f(x, y) = e^(x/y) and f(x, y) = e^(xy), to illustrate their confusion. Some participants also raise questions about the classification of a differential equation involving these functions.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their interpretations and clarifications regarding the concept of homogeneity. Some guidance has been provided about the relationship between the functions M(x,y) and N(x,y) in the context of homogeneous differential equations, but no consensus has been reached on all points raised.

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Participants reference textbook examples and external resources, indicating a potential discrepancy in definitions or examples presented in different materials. There is also mention of the distinction between the usage of "homogeneous" in the context of functions versus linear differential equations.

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i am having trouble trying to classify whether or not a differential equation is homogeneous.

i know that if it is, f(tx, ty) = tnf(x, y)
but i don't really know what this means

for example,
why is f(x, y) = exy not homogeneous
but f(x, y) = ex/y is homogeneous??

does that mean a function like
f(x, y) = ex/y dx + 3 dy would be homogeneous?
 
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magnifik said:
i am having trouble trying to classify whether or not a differential equation is homogeneous.

i know that if it is, f(tx, ty) = tnf(x, y)
but i don't really know what this means

for example,
why is f(x, y) = exy not homogeneous
Because f(tx, ty) = e(tx)(ty) = et2xy ≠ tn exy = tnf(x,y) for any value of n.
but f(x, y) = ex/y is homogeneous??
Because in this case f(tx, ty) = e(tx)/(ty) = ex/y = t0f(x,y)
does that mean a function like
f(x, y) = ex/y dx + 3 dy would be homogeneous?
That doesn't really make sense.
 
how does it not make sense? :\ that's an example in my textbook for a homogeneous differential equation
 
magnifik said:
how does it not make sense? :\ that's an example in my textbook for a homogeneous differential equation

The term "homogeneous" is used in a slightly different way in the case of linear differential equations. A linear differential equation for a function y(x) is called homogeneous if it is invariant under the rescaling transformation y(x) -> t y(x). This means that an equation

a_n (x) \frac{d^ny(x)}{dx^n} + \cdots + a_1(x) \frac{dy(x)}{dx} +a_0(x) y(x)= f(x)

is homogeneous only for f(x)=0.

The usage isn't completely different from the one for functions, since homogeneity still refers to a behavior under a rescaling. But for ODEs it does not involve a rescaling of the coordinate x.
 
magnifik said:
how does it not make sense? :\ that's an example in my textbook for a homogeneous differential equation
I'd be surprised if it was written in your textbook exactly as you wrote it here.

Here are some web pages that explain homogeneous differential equations:

http://www.cliffsnotes.com/study_guide/First-Order-Homogeneous-Equations.topicArticleId-19736,articleId-19713.html
http://www.tutorvista.com/math/solving-homogeneous-differential-equations

What they say is the differential equation

M(x,y) dx + N(x,y) dy = 0

is homogeneous if M(x,y) and N(x,y) are homogeneous functions of the same degree. So in the differential equation

ex/y dx + 3 dy = 0 [not f(x,y)]

you have M(x,y) = ex/y and N(x,y) = 3. Both functions are homogeneous functions of degree 0, so the differential equation is a homogeneous differential equation.

You can transform such an equation into a separable one by using the substitution y=xv.


Note that fzero's post explains the usual meaning of "homogeneous differential equation." I'm assuming you're referring to the less common meaning based on your question about homogeneous functions of degree n.
 
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can a homogeneous differential equation be exact?
 
Sure, the functions M(x,y) and N(x,y) from vela's post must still be homogeneous functions of the proper degree and must also satisfy

\frac{\partial M}{\partial y} = \frac{\partial N}{\partial x} .

The potential function will be homogeneous of one degree higher.
 
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