Understanding Hydrogen Bonding in Ethanol Molecules

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of hydrogen bonding in ethanol molecules, exploring how many hydrogen bonds can form between them. Participants examine the factors influencing hydrogen bonding, comparing ethanol to hydrogen fluoride and discussing the implications of molecular structure on bonding capacity.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how many hydrogen bonds ethanol molecules can form, noting the presence of three potential bonding sites (two lone pairs on oxygen and one hydrogen).
  • Another participant explains that hydrogen bonding is a stronger case of dipole-dipole attraction and suggests that the polarization of the oxygen atom in ethanol allows it to form two hydrogen bonds.
  • A participant acknowledges understanding the +I effect and suggests that each ethanol molecule could potentially form three hydrogen bonds, including one from the hydrogen atom to an oxygen lone pair on another molecule.
  • One participant refers to a figure that may provide additional insight into the bonding process, implying that the visual representation could clarify the bonding dynamics.
  • A participant seeks confirmation on their understanding that one lone pair on the oxygen atom accepts a hydrogen bond while one hydrogen atom donates a hydrogen bond, suggesting a total of two hydrogen bonds per molecule.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the exact number of hydrogen bonds formed by ethanol molecules, with some proposing different interpretations of the bonding capabilities. There is no consensus on the total number of hydrogen bonds per molecule, as various viewpoints are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference different aspects of hydrogen bonding, including molecular polarity and structural effects, but do not resolve the discrepancies in their understanding of ethanol's bonding behavior.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in molecular chemistry, particularly those studying hydrogen bonding and molecular interactions in organic compounds.

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Hey,

How do you know how many hydrogen bonds ethanol molecules will form with each other? I know there are 3 sites where H bonds could form (2 lone pairs on oxygen and the hydrogen) but with something like hydrogen fluoride, each molecule only forms 1 H bond on average so shouldn't something similar happen with ethanol since each has only one hydrogen bond to 'donate'?

Thanks :)
 
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Check the definition of Hydrogen Bonding at wikipedia. H-Bonding is a special, stronger case of dipole-dipole attraction. The bond is slightly polarized, which may be seen as an electric dipole of some small "charge".

In HF, F has slight negative "charge" and H has an equivalent positive "charge", so F only forms one H-Bond.

But in Ethanol, O has more negative charge than H has positive charge (Ethyl group has +I effect) so overall, O-atom can enough polarization to form two H-Bond.
 
Thanks for replying :) I've just read Wikipedia's entry but I think I must still be missing something :/

I understand the +I effect and how the O-atom can form two H-bonds, but the H-atom also forms a H-bond with an O lone pair on another ethanol doesn't it? So does that mean each molecule forms 3 H-bonds then? :S
 
You may check this figure. It says something else.
800px-Ethanol-xtal-1976-3D-balls.png
 
Yeah I mean I know that my idea of how it might bond is wrong but I'm just not sure of exactly what makes it different :confused:

So in your picture, for one molecule of ethanol (on average): one lone pair on the O-atom 'accepts' a H-bond from another molecule, and one of it's H-atoms 'donates' a H-bond to another molecule's lone pair, giving 2 H-bonds per molecule?

I just want to check that's right first :)
 

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