Understanding Inertia: Explaining the Door Closing Phenomenon in Moving Cars

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The discussion centers on the phenomenon of a car door closing when the vehicle accelerates forward, particularly from a ground frame perspective. Participants note that while no external force acts on the door in the ground frame, the hinge generates a torque that causes the door to close. The hinge is not the axis of rotation, which is crucial for understanding how the door moves. It is suggested that as long as the axis of rotation is outside the car, the forward force can effectively rotate the door closed. The conversation emphasizes the complexities of analyzing motion and forces in different reference frames.
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Explain the phenomenon of closing of door of a car when car starts accelerating forward please explain in ground frame.
 
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What forces do you think might be acting on the door ?
 
Nidum said:
What forces do you think might be acting on the door ?
In ground frame I think no force.But wrt to car frame there is one pseudo force.
 
Einstein1729 said:
In ground frame I think no force.
Wouldn't that mean the door would be left behind by the car? :wink:
 
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Einstein1729 said:
In ground frame I think no force.
sophiecentaur said:
Wouldn't that mean the door would be left behind by the car? :wink:
I know that's why I want to know how it closes? Wrt ground frame
 
Einstein1729 said:
I know that's why I want to know how it closes? Wrt ground frame
Does the door have hinges?
 
jbriggs444 said:
Does the door have hinges?
Yes
 
Einstein1729 said:
Explain the phenomenon of closing of door of a car when car starts accelerating forward please explain in ground frame.
In the ground frame the force at the hinge both accelerates and rotates the door. It is important to recognize that the hinge is not the axis of rotation since it is accelerating in this frame. Since it is not the axis of rotation, forces at the hinge can generate torque about the axis of rotation.
 
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Dale said:
In the ground frame the force at the hinge both accelerates and rotates the door. It is important to recognize that the hinge is not the axis of rotation since it is accelerating in this frame. Since it is not the axis of rotation, forces at the hinge can generate torque about the axis of rotation.
What is the axis of rotation in case of ground frame?and how is the force be able to rotate backward if the force at hinge is in forward? I am sorry if I am wrong.
 
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Einstein1729 said:
What is the axis of rotation in case of ground frame?
You have to solve for it mathematically, it is not obvious.

Einstein1729 said:
how is the force be able to rotate backward if the force at hinge is in forward?
As long as the axis is anywhere outside the car, the forward force will rotate the door closed.
 
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Einstein1729 said:
how is the force be able to rotate backward if the force at hinge is in forward?

Does the centre of mass of the door move "backwards" relative to the ground?
 
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