Understanding [itex]P(\bigcap_{i=1}^n A_i) = \prod_{i=1}^n P(A_i) [/itex]

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The discussion revolves around understanding the probability relationship \( P(\bigcap_{i=1}^n A_i) = \prod_{i=1}^n P(A_i) \), particularly in the context of independent events. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the definition of events \( A_i \) and their application in probability calculations involving coin flips.

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  • The original poster attempts to clarify the definition of events \( A_i \) and their implications in probability, specifically questioning the independence of events and the application of the product rule in their example of coin flips.

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Some participants have pointed out that the relationship in question applies only to independent events, and there is an exploration of how conditional probability relates to the product of probabilities. The original poster continues to seek clarity on the assumptions and definitions involved.

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The original poster notes that the lecture did not define \( A_i \) clearly and raises concerns about the implications of defining a probability measure that could affect the independence of events.

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My goal: Understand [itex]P(\bigcap_{i=1}^n A_i) = \prod_{i=1}^n P(A_i)[/itex].

My current understanding:

It wasn't defined in my lecture slides what [itex]A_i[/itex] exactly was, but I'm guessing that it's to be an event as that's how it's been defined everywhere else.

So, let A be an event (in this case, the outcome of 1 fair coin flip), and [itex]\Omega[/itex] be the state space.

We clearly have [itex]\Omega = \{H,T\}[/itex] and the [itex]\sigma[/itex]-algebra as [itex]\bf{F} = \{\{\},\Omega,\{H\},\{T\}\}[/itex].

[itex]\{H\},\{T\}[/itex] are the only two events, so denote them [itex]A_1 = \{H\}[/itex] and [itex]A_2 = \{T\}[/itex].

We then have [itex]\bigcap_{i=1}^2 A_i = \{ \}[/itex] [itex]\Rightarrow[/itex] [itex]\prod_{i=1}^2 P(A_i) = P(\{ \}) = 0[/itex]. Yet this is clearly incorrect as [itex]\prod_{i=1}^2 P(A_i) = P(\{H\})*P(\{T\}) = 0.25[/itex]

_________

Now, I understand that this is to be applied to problems like ""You flip 2 fair coins, what's the probability that you get 2 heads"", then you multiply 0.5*0.5. But I'm really confused because [itex]A_i[/itex] was referred to throughout this whole lecture as constituting all the events that are elements of a relevant sigma-algebra.

What am I missing?
 
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Hi operationres. That relationship only applies to independent events.
 
One way we can think about this is to rearrange the conditional probability formula (see your other recent post) as,
[tex]P(B \cap A) = P(A) P(B|A)[/tex].

Now if A and B are independent events then [itex]P(B|A) = P(B)[/itex], giving this result,

[tex]P(B \cap A) = P(A) P(B)[/tex].
 
Thanks, I completely understand now.
 
operationsres said:
My goal: Understand [itex]P(\bigcap_{i=1}^n A_i) = \prod_{i=1}^n P(A_i)[/itex].

My current understanding:

It wasn't defined in my lecture slides what [itex]A_i[/itex] exactly was, but I'm guessing that it's to be an event as that's how it's been defined everywhere else.

So, let A be an event (in this case, the outcome of 1 fair coin flip), and [itex]\Omega[/itex] be the state space.

We clearly have [itex]\Omega = \{H,T\}[/itex] and the [itex]\sigma[/itex]-algebra as [itex]\bf{F} = \{\{\},\Omega,\{H\},\{T\}\}[/itex].

[itex]\{H\},\{T\}[/itex] are the only two events, so denote them [itex]A_1 = \{H\}[/itex] and [itex]A_2 = \{T\}[/itex].

We then have [itex]\bigcap_{i=1}^2 A_i = \{ \}[/itex] [itex]\Rightarrow[/itex] [itex]\prod_{i=1}^2 P(A_i) = P(\{ \}) = 0[/itex]. Yet this is clearly incorrect as [itex]\prod_{i=1}^2 P(A_i) = P(\{H\})*P(\{T\}) = 0.25[/itex]

_________

Now, I understand that this is to be applied to problems like ""You flip 2 fair coins, what's the probability that you get 2 heads"", then you multiply 0.5*0.5. But I'm really confused because [itex]A_i[/itex] was referred to throughout this whole lecture as constituting all the events that are elements of a relevant sigma-algebra.

What am I missing?

The result stated applies only to independent events, and whether or not two events are independent depends on the nature of the probability measure P. In your coin example, we could define a probability measure P such that P{H} = 1, P{T} = 0, etc. Now we would have P{A & B} = P{A}*P{B} for all elements A and B of {{},Ω, {H}, {T}}. Of course, that probability measure does not look very useful; in practice, it would apply to a two-headed coin.

RGV
 

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