Understanding Luminosity,Brightness,Intensity,Flux

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of luminosity, brightness, intensity, and flux in the context of astrophysics. Participants explore the definitions and relationships between these terms, addressing both theoretical and practical implications.

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  • One participant defines intensity as the light passing through a steradian per second and presents equations relating intensity, luminosity, and flux, expressing confusion about their meanings.
  • Another participant clarifies that luminosity is the total power output of a star, while flux is the power per unit area, relating these concepts through mathematical expressions.
  • A third participant distinguishes between photometric and radiometric measures, noting the common confusion regarding total output per steradian versus per 4π steradian.
  • One participant mentions the unit of radiant flux as watts and expresses confusion over notation.
  • Another participant proposes a formula for energy transfer from the sun to Earth, prompting further discussion on the correct area to consider in calculations.
  • Subsequent replies refine the energy transfer formula, emphasizing the importance of the Earth's shadow area in the calculations.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and confusion regarding the definitions and relationships of the terms discussed. There is no consensus on the clarity of these concepts, and multiple viewpoints are presented without resolution.

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Some participants highlight limitations in understanding due to notation and definitions, as well as the need for clarity between different measurement systems (photometric vs radiometric).

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I am taking astrophysics course and we are constantly talking about Luminosity,Brightness,Intensity,Flux etc. I thought that I understand the idea properly but I see now that I dont.

Intensity is the light passing through a steradian per second

$$I=E/dtd\Omega$$

Luminosity is intensity per area

$$L=E/dtdA\Omega=I/dA$$

And Flux is the Luminosity per area ?

$$F= L/4\pi r^2$$

And brightness = Flux

Are these statements true ?

I am confusing these definitions and their meanings constantly. Can someone help me to understand it better.
 
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Luminosity, according to wikipedia is the total power output of a star. That's energy per unit time.

Flux is the power per unit area so given its luminosity is L then the light flux through the a sphere r units away from the center of the star is \frac{1}{4\pi r^2}L because that is the total Luminosity divided by the surface area at that radius. All the light is flowing outward across that spherical surface.

Luminous Intensity is the power emitted per unit solid angle from a point source or spherically symmetric source. It is basically the flux (power per unit area) through the unit sphere (1 steradians = 1 unit area) centered at the source. Thus Intensity is simply rescaled Luminosity I=\frac{1}{4\pi}L assuming a spherically symmetric source. An object could have directionally dependent luminosity (as an extreme example consider a pulsar).
 
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Two usual points of confusion:
1) photometric vs radiometric measure.
Radiometry is what Maxwell and energy flux is about. Usual physical definitions.
Photometry (illuminence) convolves everything with the sensitivity of our eyeball and is what photographers have historically used. For instance a lumen is a photometric measure of light output and lux is lumen/sq.m.
2)the usual confusion about whether the total output is per steradian or per 4pi steradian
Here is a good explanation
https://www.thorlabs.de/catalogPages/506.pdf
I suggest printing off a comprehensive conversion table and sticking it to your wall!
 
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I understand it I think. I looked a optic textbook, in there it says the unit of radiant flux is (W). And the notation etc confused me a lot.
 
So then the Energy transfer to Earth from sun per second would be,

$$dE=dt\frac{L_{sun}A_{earth}}{4\pi r^2}$$ for ##r=1AU## ?
 
Yes (where A is the area of the flat Earth disc)
 
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The energy transfer per second would be: dE/dt, what you wrote is the amount of energy transferred indt seconds. Note that as hutchphd mentioned you want the area of Earth's shadow which is going to be \pi R^2. So your formula would simplify to:
\frac{dE}{dt} = L_{sun} \frac{R^2}{4r^2}
Basically what hits the Earth is what proportion of the area of the sphere 1AU from the sun is covered by the Earth's shadow times what the sun puts out, L.
 
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Thank you all
 
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