Understanding momentum concept

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The discussion revolves around the concept of momentum, exploring its necessity, historical context, and its relationship with kinetic energy. Participants question why momentum was introduced as a distinct concept and what problems it addresses in the understanding of motion, particularly in scenarios where energy conservation alone may not suffice.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to understand the historical reasons for the introduction of momentum and its independent variables, mass and velocity.
  • Another participant suggests that momentum was introduced to account for uniform motion in the absence of external forces, questioning the sufficiency of energy conservation alone.
  • A participant argues that while kinetic energy is conserved in certain scenarios, momentum conservation applies in many cases where mechanical energy is not conserved.
  • There is a discussion about whether the introduction of momentum is justified solely due to its vector nature compared to the scalar nature of energy quantities.
  • One participant posits that introducing conserved quantities like momentum enhances understanding of physical interactions, particularly in collision scenarios.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and justification for the concept of momentum, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific scenarios, such as collisions and the conservation of mechanical energy, but do not resolve the implications of these examples on the necessity of momentum as a concept.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those exploring foundational concepts in physics, particularly students and educators seeking to understand the rationale behind the introduction of momentum and its distinction from energy.

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Hello

Please, if you UNDERSTAND WHAT IS MOMENTUM, tell me.

I want to know, why do I need momentum, why was this concept introduced. If I were an ancient scientist, what's the problem that faced me in absence of such concept, that lead me to devising it, and at which basis did I choose my independent variables, mass and velocity.

Thanks in Advance..
 
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I've forgot to say:

Mu readings have lead me that the concept was introduced in order to account for the uniform motion (assume it's space with no resistances), that a body makes although the physical interaction causing it to move disappeared.

I still don't get it, I think the answer is simply because that body has a kinetic energy! and energy is conserved, there's no resistance, no consumption, let the body move because of its energy.. why momentum?? why to think that energy interpretation is not enough, and that I need another sufficiently explaining concept?
 
Maisara-WD said:
I still don't get it, I think the answer is simply because that body has a kinetic energy! and energy is conserved, there's no resistance, no consumption, let the body move because of its energy.. why momentum?? why to think that energy interpretation is not enough, and that I need another sufficiently explaining concept?
There are many cases where mechanical energy is not conserved, yet momentum is

Momentum is also a vector quantity, kinetic energy is not.
 
Let's say it's conserved, WHY to introduce a new concept? is just because of the scalar nature of energy quantities?
 
Maisara-WD said:
Let's say it's conserved, WHY to introduce a new concept?
Any time you can introduce a new quantity that is conserved it expands your power to understand the world. Take the simplest case: A ball collides with another at rest. Assuming kinetic energy is conserved doesn't allow you to predict what will happen. Adding momentum conservation does.
 
That's acceptable :D

Thanks a lot :)
 

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