Understanding Negative Shear Force in Beams: Explanation and Graph Analysis

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The discussion centers around the concept of negative shear force in beams, particularly in the context of beam theory and moment diagrams. Participants explore the implications of shear force and moment sign conventions, as well as the graphical representation of these forces along a beam. The scope includes theoretical explanations and homework-related inquiries.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the negative shear force at the left-hand side (LHS) and right-hand side (RHS) of the beam is correctly interpreted, suggesting that the shear force causes different rotational effects.
  • There is a claim that the shear force remains negative throughout the beam due to the absence of applied forces between endpoints, with the slope of the moment diagram being equal to the shear at that point.
  • One participant expresses confusion over the sign convention used in the shear force analysis, arguing that the upward shear force on the left and downward shear force on the right leads to inconsistencies.
  • Another participant clarifies that the reaction forces at the ends of the beam dictate the negative shear force convention, explaining that the shear remains constant until the right end where it returns to zero.
  • There is a discussion about the term "cumulative" in relation to the shear force graph, with participants seeking clarification on its meaning.
  • Participants describe the behavior of the moment diagram, noting that it starts increasingly negative, jumps to a positive value due to an applied couple, and then decreases to zero, with references to hogging and sagging moments.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of negative shear forces and the sign conventions used, indicating that multiple competing views remain unresolved. There is no consensus on the graphical representation and the implications of shear force behavior.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations in the discussion include unresolved definitions of terms like "cumulative," as well as the dependence on specific sign conventions that may vary. The discussion does not fully resolve the mathematical steps involved in the transition from negative to positive moments.

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Homework Statement


in this notes, the shear force is negative because at LHS, shear force cause the beam to turn counterclockwise , am i right?
at RHS, the shear force cause the beam to turn anticlockwise, so that the shear force is also negative?

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Why the moment change from -ve to +ve at the moment graph?
Is it wrong?
Shoudlnt the graph look like this? (red line)
 

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It is not wrong. The shear starts off negative and remains negative because therrre are no forces applied in between end points. Then from the calculus of beam theory, the slope of the moment diagram at a given point is equal to the shear at that point, so the slope of the moment diagram is always negative. The applied couple is a dicontinuity which adds a positive moment at that point.
 
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PhanthomJay said:
It is not wrong. The shear starts off negative and remains negative because therrre are no forces applied in between end points. Then from the calculus of beam theory, the slope of the moment diagram at a given point is equal to the shear at that point, so the slope of the moment diagram is always negative. The applied couple is a dicontinuity which adds a positive moment at that point.
can you explain in another way without the draw of moment and shear force graph ?
why the shear force is negative throughout the beam ? As we can see , the shear force acted upward at the left of beam , the shear force acted downward at the right of the beam ... the sign convention that the author used are not consistent... ( the assume upward as positive on the left , assume downward shear force as positive on the right . )
Is it wrong ?
 
The reaction acts down at the left and up at the right. So by convention, the shear is downward negative starting at left, then stays constant negative because there is no load applied in between until the right end, then the reaction acts up there and thus the shear goes up back to 0.
 
PhanthomJay said:
The reaction acts down at the left and up at the right. So by convention, the shear is downward negative starting at left, then stays constant negative because there is no load applied in between until the right end, then the reaction acts up there and thus the shear goes up back to 0.
So, shear force graph is " cumulative " ??
 
chetzread said:
So, shear force graph is " cumulative " ??
Not sure what you mean by "cumulative.". The shear force is a constant value of -M_o/2L at any point along the beam between end points.
 
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PhanthomJay said:
Not sure what you mean by "cumulative.". The shear force is a constant value of -M_o(L/2 ) at any point along the beam between end points.
ok , now can you explain why the moment change from -ve to positive value ?
 
The moment is increasingly negative up to the middle. Then the applied couple jumps it up to a positive value, then it decreases to zero at the end. You might want to visualize how the beam deflects under that applied twisting moment. The left part of the beam is a hogging moment like sort of an upside down u shape and the right part is a sagging moment upright u shape. Hogging is negative moment and sagging is positive.
 
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