Calculating Shear Stress in Beams: V and A Formula

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of shear stress in beams, specifically how to express the shear stress formula in terms of shear force (V) and area (A). Participants explore the relationships between different formulas for shear stress, including the traditional formula and average shear stress calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the formula for shear stress as τ = V ⋅ Q / (I ⋅ t) and seeks to express it in terms of V and A.
  • Another participant clarifies that V represents shear force, not volume, and discusses the distinction between average shear stress (V/A) and maximum shear stress (VQ/It).
  • It is noted that the relationship between average and maximum shear stress varies with the shape of the cross-section, with specific ratios provided for rectangles and circles.
  • There is a question about whether shear stress for other shapes can be derived from the formula VQ/It.
  • One participant emphasizes that for specific shapes, such as rectangles and circles, the maximum shear stress can be expressed as a multiple of the average shear stress.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definitions of V and A, as well as the distinction between average and maximum shear stress. However, there is disagreement regarding the ability to derive shear stress for various shapes from the VQ/It formula, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence of shear stress calculations on the shape of the cross-section and the specific conditions under which the formulas apply. There are unresolved aspects regarding the derivation of shear stress for different geometries.

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Homework Statement


in the old thread , i was told that
The formula for calculating the shear stress is a beam is ##τ = \frac{V ⋅ Q}{I ⋅ t}##

τ - shear stress
V - shear force
Q - first moment of area above the location where the shear stress is calculated.
I - second moment of area for the entire beam about the N.A.
t - width of the beam where the shear stress is calculated
But , how to change the ##τ = \frac{V ⋅ Q}{I ⋅ t}## into V and A only ?
just like below ?

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The V represent shear force , it's not volume , am i right ?
 
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sorry , i left out something in post # 1 , so continue here :
as we can see shear stress of various shape is in terms of V and A ,
The V represent shear force , it's not volume , am i right ?

How to change shear stress = (V)(Q)/ (It) into in terms of V and A ?
 

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V is the conventional designation for shear (in force units). Clearly it doesn't stand for Volume here, right?
V/A is average shear stress, whereas VQ/It is maximum shear stress which usually is at the neutral axis. You cannot generalize a relationship between them since it depends on the cross section shape. For example for the rectangle, max shear stress is 3/2 avg shear stress, and for the circle, max shear stress is 4/3 avg shear stress. Note that for certain shapes like I beams, the area of the web and not the entire shape is used to determine A when computing avg shear stress, because the shear stresses mostly are in the web.
 
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PhanthomJay said:
V is the conventional designation for shear (in force units). Clearly it doesn't stand for Volume here, right?
V/A is average shear stress, whereas VQ/It is maximum shear stress which usually is at the neutral axis. You cannot generalize a relationship between them since it depends on the cross section shape. For example for the rectangle, max shear stress is 3/2 avg shear stress, and for the circle, max shear stress is 4/3 avg shear stress. Note that for certain shapes like I beams, the area of the web and not the entire shape is used to determine A when computing avg shear stress, because the shear stresses mostly are in the web.
so , shear stress is VQ/It for beam , and for the other shape , it's function of V and A ..There's no way to derive he shear stress of other shape from VQ/It ?
 
I think you misunderstood. repeat: For the rectangle, max shear stress VQ/It is 3/2(V/A), or 3/2 times the avg shear stress in the rectangle. For the circle, max shear stress VQ/It is 4/3 (V/A), or 4/3 times the average shear stress in the circle.
 
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