Understanding Normal Forces on Horizontal, Vertical, and Diagonal Surfaces

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of normal forces acting on objects in contact with horizontal, vertical, and diagonal surfaces. Participants explore how normal forces function in different orientations and their implications in various scenarios.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that normal force is the force preventing objects from falling towards the center of the Earth, applicable to horizontal surfaces like the ground.
  • Others explain that normal forces exist for any surface angle, being perpendicular to the surface, and provide examples such as leaning against a wall and lying on an inclined plane.
  • There is a suggestion that normal forces from walls prevent objects from falling through them, although this is met with some uncertainty.
  • Participants discuss the definition of "normal" as being synonymous with "perpendicular," highlighting its significance in understanding normal forces.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definition of normal forces being perpendicular to surfaces, but there is some disagreement regarding the implications and interpretations of normal forces in different contexts.

Contextual Notes

Some definitions and interpretations of normal forces may depend on specific contexts or assumptions that are not fully explored in the discussion.

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Well, we all know that normal force is the force that keeps things from falling to the center of the earth, right? Well, that should apply to horizontal surfaces such as the ground. But does normal force work for vertical and diagonal forces such as a wall, too?
 
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Any time something is pressing on a surface, no matter what the angle of the surface, there is a normal that is perpendicular to the surface. If you're leaning against a wall, you are held in place by the vertical normal force from the floor (which stops you from falling to the center of the earth) and the horizontal normal force from the wall (which stops you from tipping over even though you aren't standing straight).

Lie flat on an inclined plane and the normal force will be perpendicular to the surface of the plane, neither horizontal nor vertical.
 
Nugatory said:
Any time something is pressing on a surface, no matter what the angle of the surface, there is a normal that is perpendicular to the surface. If you're leaning against a wall, you are held in place by the vertical normal force from the floor (which stops you from falling to the center of the earth) and the horizontal normal force from the wall (which stops you from tipping over even though you aren't standing straight).

Lie flat on an inclined plane and the normal force will be perpendicular to the surface of the plane, neither horizontal nor vertical.

And normal forces from walls prevent something from falling through the walls, right?
 
Sundown444 said:
And normal forces from walls prevent something from falling through the walls, right?
Yes, sort of.

But it sounds like you are missing the significance of the word normal.

Definition of normal
1:perpendicular; especially :perpendicular to a tangent (see 1tangent 3) at a point of tangency
 
anorlunda said:
Yes, sort of.

But it sounds like you are missing the significance of the word normal.

Definition of normal
1:perpendicular; especially :perpendicular to a tangent (see 1tangent 3) at a point of tangency

Honestly, I never saw the perpendicular definition of normal before.
 
The words normal and perpendicular are synonyms.
 

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