Understanding of Voltage potential

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The discussion focuses on the terminology and notation related to voltage potential, specifically the interpretation of voltage measurements and the application of Kirchhoff's Voltage Law (KVL). Participants express confusion over the notation used and the implications of reference points in voltage measurements.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants seek clarification on whether Voa represents the voltage of point "o" with respect to point "a".
  • It is noted that all voltage measurements are relative to a reference node, often referred to as 'Ground', which may not be physically connected to the Earth.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of consistency in sign definitions when applying KVL, suggesting that correct answers depend on this consistency.
  • Another participant raises concerns about the notation used in KVL equations, arguing that it may not align with common practices and could lead to errors if sign conventions are not followed.
  • There is a mention that definitions of voltage polarities can be arbitrary, but consistency within a single analysis is crucial.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of agreement on the interpretation of voltage potential and the notation used. While some agree on the importance of consistency in analysis, there is no consensus on the definitions and practices surrounding voltage measurements.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight that the definitions of voltage and reference points can vary, and the discussion reflects different interpretations and practices in electrical engineering. There are unresolved questions regarding the notation and its implications for circuit analysis.

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I want to understand the voltage potential
I am bit confused with voltage potential terminology again to basics
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When it is referred as Voa it is Voltage of "o" wrt "a". Is it correct?
But other major question is
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as per the document

I would have written KVL as Voa - I1 * Z = Vn. I am really confused with notation used.
 
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PhysicsTest said:
TL;DR Summary: I want to understand the voltage potential

When it is referred as Voa it is Voltage of "o" wrt "a". Is it correct?
Since all of the measurements are relative the the "O" node, i"O" is the 'reference' node (or 'common' node), this is often referred to as 'Ground', even if it is not connected to the actual Ground or Earth.

So VOA is Voltage of "A" wrt "O".

In general, the first subscript (in this case 'O') is the Reference point and the second subscript is the point being measured. Another way to remember it is 'from' and 'to' for the subscripts.

Hope this helps!

Cheers,
Tom
 
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PhysicsTest said:
I would have written KVL as Voa - I1 * Z = Vn. I am really confused with notation used.
Me too. But as long as you are consistent with the sign definitions the equations will give you the correct answer regardless.
 
PhysicsTest said:
I would have written KVL as Voa - I1 * Z = Vn.
I too agree. But (though not an electrical engineer) can I add this.

Using ##V_{on} = V_{oa} + ZI_1## etc. is not consistent with the assumed current-directions shown in the diagram. It is not the usual practice in my experience. I would (as an ex-teacher) mark it wrong.

When setting up the equations, the signs in the equations must be consistent with the assumed current directions.

For example, in more complicated circuits with 'loops', different currents can flow through the same component. E.g. there might be ##I_4## flowing through a resistor in one direction and ##I_5## flowing through the same resistor in the opposite direction. In such situations, not following strict rules about the use signs can lead to errors. Is thecurrent through the resistor ##I_4+I_5, I_4-I_5, -I_4+I_5## or ##-I_4-I_5##? You need to be able to pick the correct one!
 
Tom.G said:
Since all of the measurements are relative the the "O" node, i"O" is the 'reference' node (or 'common' node), this is often referred to as 'Ground', even if it is not connected to the actual Ground or Earth.

So VOA is Voltage of "A" wrt "O".

In general, the first subscript (in this case 'O') is the Reference point and the second subscript is the point being measured. Another way to remember it is 'from' and 'to' for the subscripts.

Hope this helps!

Cheers,
Tom
In my experience, you will not find a consensus either way with this definition. The important thing is to be consistent within a single analysis and to understand as best as possible from the context which definitions are being used.

Again, the definitions of various polarities can be arbitrary, but strict consistency in their application is mandatory.
 
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