Understanding Powder Behavior under Centrifugal Force

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The discussion revolves around understanding the behavior of powder under centrifugal force, particularly in the context of a rotating box. Participants explore how the powder might behave when subjected to such forces, questioning whether it will adhere to the walls or maintain a flat profile.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants inquire about the specifics of the box's shape, the axis of rotation, and the amount and type of powder involved. They discuss the flow characteristics of the powder and the body forces acting upon it, including centrifugal force and friction.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the problem with various interpretations being considered. Some participants have offered insights into the mechanics of powder behavior and potential design considerations for directing a laser within the rotating box. The discussion remains open, with no explicit consensus reached.

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Participants note the need for additional details regarding the setup, such as the amount of powder and the spin rate, which may influence the behavior of the powder under centrifugal force. There is also mention of the innovative application involving selective laser sintering, which adds complexity to the discussion.

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How does powder behave under centrifugal force? Let's imagine that we put the powder in a box and start rotating it. How can I understand how the powder will behave? Will it be flat and stick to the outer side of the box or...?
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No equations are required. Knowing ansys probably would help
How does powder behave under centrifugal force? Let's imagine that we put the powder in a box and start rotating it. How can I understand how the powder will behave? Will it be flat and stick to the outer side of the box or...?
 
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Welcome to PF.

Do you mean like a rectangular box? What axis is the axis of rotation? Can you post a sketch?

And where does the "Laser" come into this?

How much powder is there in this "box"? Is it half-full? 1/10th full? What kind of powder? What is the spin rate?
 
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Asdr said:
Homework Statement:: How does powder behave under centrifugal force? Let's imagine that we put the powder in a box and start rotating it. How can I understand how the powder will behave? Will it be flat and stick to the outer side of the box or...?
Relevant Equations:: No equations are required. Knowing ansys probably would help

How does powder behave under centrifugal force? Let's imagine that we put the powder in a box and start rotating it. How can I understand how the powder will behave? Will it be flat and stick to the outer side of the box or...?
It depends on the flow characteristics of the powder.

What are the body forces acting on the powder?
 
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berkeman said:
Welcome to PF.

Do you mean like a rectangular box? What axis is the axis of rotation? Can you post a sketch?

And where does the "Laser" come into this?

How much powder is there in this "box"? Is it half-full? 1/10th full? What kind of powder? What is the spin rate?
First of all, thank you for answering. I have to design an innovative apparatus that is based on selective laser sintering (basically it is 3D printing), but our idea is to make the box with powder (for ex aluminum) spin so centrifugal force will compress the powder making it denser. The laser comes from outside and should be probably directed by mirrors. We are not quite sure about the idea, we don't really know how powder behaves when the box is spinning. Overall, the goal is to make the powder flat and to point a laser beam to create a part. Idk, maybe you will have some creative solution for us)
 

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Astronuc said:
It depends on the flow characteristics of the powder.

What are the body forces acting on the powder?
Thank you for answering! Centrifugal force and you can assume that powder is like a fluid (water maybe, but denser). In fact, we will be using aluminum powder. Here is the design. Maybe you have a creative solution to make a powder in the box, which is spinning, flat. And how would you design mirrors so they will direct laser beams into the box?
 

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Asdr said:
Centrifugal force and you can assume that powder is like a fluid (water maybe, but denser).
Centrifugal force and gravity, and friction within the particles and on the wall of the container to be coated. How uniform will the coating be?

To aim a laser at the inner surface, one would need to aim the laser into the interior of the chamber (box) and hit a 45° angle mirror to deflect the laser beam from vertical to horizontal.

Has one thought about the traverse of the sintering laser on the surface of the box?
 
Asdr said:
Homework Statement:: How does powder behave under centrifugal force? Let's imagine that we put the powder in a box and start rotating it. How can I understand how the powder will behave? Will it be flat and stick to the outer side of the box or...?
Relevant Equations:: No equations are required. Knowing ansys probably would help

How does powder behave under centrifugal force?
I imagine the powder is considered a real fluid, not a perfect one. Let’s suppose an initial omogeneous distribution into the box, and the box cylindrical for simplicity.
When you make the cylinder rotate, a thin boundary layer attached to the inside Wall rotates with it. Tangential forces are transmitted to adiacent layers, and so on.
But can one consider the fluid compressible or not? Local density could change, the powder isn’t water; do you know a bucket containing water and put in rotation? In a gravitational field, the surface of water becomes a paraboloid . But with powder things are different.
Viscosity and density play their role. Anyway a centrifugal effect is present.

There are operating machines in engineering industry , air compressors , that use energy to compress air and send it in recevoirs; between them, an important class is that of centrifugal compressors. If you want an idea about the way they work, have a look at this :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_compressor

mechanics and thermodynamics are involved here .
 
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