Understanding Series Termination in High Speed Digital Circuits

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The discussion focuses on the concept of series termination in high-speed digital circuits, particularly how voltage divides between the transmission line and the series resistor. Participants explore the implications of impedance matching and voltage division in the context of signal integrity.

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  • Some participants describe series termination as involving a resistor between the driver's output and the line, where the sum of the output impedance of the driver and the resistor must equal the characteristic impedance of the line.
  • One participant proposes a voltage divider model, suggesting that if the impedances are equal, the voltage on the transmission line would be half the drive voltage.
  • Another participant challenges this by stating that with a 50-ohm transmission line and a high input impedance (e.g., 10k ohms), they do not see how a voltage divider applies.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the relevance of nominal impedance values in calculations and question whether the input impedance of the connected device should be considered.
  • There is a discussion about the behavior of reflections in transmission lines, particularly in relation to open circuit terminations and how this affects the voltage seen at the receiver input.
  • One participant concludes that the reflection coefficient for an open termination results in a full transmitted voltage appearing at the receiver input, while another agrees with this interpretation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the application of voltage division in this context, with some supporting the voltage divider model and others questioning its validity. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact implications of impedance and reflections in series termination.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the topic, including the dependence on specific circuit configurations and the potential for varying interpretations of impedance values.

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I was reading about series termination in high speed digital circuits -
A series termination comprises a resistor between the driver's output and the line . The sum of the output impedance of the driver, RD, and the resistor value, R, must equal Z0. With this type of termination, only one-half the signal value appears on the line because of the voltage division between the line and the combination of the series resistor and the driver's impedance.

I can't understand how the voltage divides between the transmission line and the series resistor.
 
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Think of the transmission line and the input impedance of whatever it connects to as one resistor, and the output impedance plus series resistor as a second resistor. Then you have a voltage divider, non? If the two impedances are equal you get 1/2 the drive voltage on the transmission line.
 
schip666! said:
Think of the transmission line and the input impedance of whatever it connects to as one resistor
Ok, transmission line is 50ohms and input impedance is another gate, so high impedance like 10Kohms.
and the output impedance plus series resistor as a second resistor.
This combo is 50ohms.
Then you have a voltage divider, non? If the two impedances are equal you get 1/2 the drive voltage on the transmission line.
50 ohms is in series with transmission line(also 50 ohms), which is connected to high input impedance.
I don't see a voltage divider?
 
I admit to not being an expert on this, but...

The transmission line impedance itself is a "nominal" value so I wouldn't include it in the calculations. If you indeed have a regular (say TTL) gate at the input then it's impedance is probably higher but 10k is fine, and you would be right conceptually. It may be that it's not a regular gate. Do we have part numbers or is this a theory thing?
 
Don't have part numbers. Just trying to understand the concept.
 
likephysics said:
I can't understand how the voltage divides between the transmission line and the series resistor.
I know you are asking about a high speed digital circuits but I think it would be similar to a http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/vdivac.html" .
 
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likephysics said:
50 ohms is in series with transmission line(also 50 ohms), which is connected to high input impedance.
I don't see a voltage divider?

There is a reason that the full transmitted voltage shows up at the receiver input, and it is related to the high input impedance of the receiver input. Think about what happens with the reflection from the "open circuit" end of the transmission line at the receiver end of the TL...
 
berkeman said:
There is a reason that the full transmitted voltage shows up at the receiver input, and it is related to the high input impedance of the receiver input. Think about what happens with the reflection from the "open circuit" end of the transmission line at the receiver end of the TL...

I got it. It's just a transmission line that is open. So the reflection coefficient for a open termination transmission line is

ZL-Z0/ZL+Z0

ZL is infinity.

So reflection is 1.
Initially the source sees Zsource and Z0, so the voltage is divided between the two.
The reflection adds to this initial voltage.
 
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likephysics said:
I got it. It's just a transmission line that is open. So the reflection coefficient for a open termination transmission line is

ZL-Z0/ZL+Z0

ZL is infinity.

So reflection is 1.
Initially the source sees Zsource and Z0, so the voltage is divided between the two.
The reflection adds to this initial voltage.

Correct-a-mundo. Good job.
 

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