?Understanding Special Relativity: Speed Addition & Subtraction

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the concept of speed addition and subtraction in the context of special relativity, particularly how an observer's motion influences the measurement of speed. Participants explore the implications of relative motion on speed measurements and the differences between classical and relativistic frameworks.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how motion influences the speed of other objects and the concept of speed being additive and subtractive.
  • Another participant suggests that the measurement of an object's speed is affected by the observer's speed, using the example of a train and a car moving at the same speed in the same direction.
  • A third participant argues that the original statement about speed being additive and subtractive is incorrect, explaining that in special relativity, speeds are not simply additive as in classical mechanics, and introduces the relativistic formula for combining velocities.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of speed addition and subtraction in special relativity. There are competing views regarding the nature of speed measurements and the influence of relative motion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the distinction between classical (Galilean) and relativistic (Einsteinian) frameworks for understanding motion and speed, indicating potential misunderstandings about the principles of special relativity.

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special relativity says speed can be additive and subtractive ,our motion influences the speed , i did not get this part .how can our motion influence the speed of other object ?and how can speed be additive and subtractive
 
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thecosmos123456 said:
special relativity says speed can be additive and subtractive

What do you mean by this? It's not clear what your question is.
 
The only thing I can think of, as the question isn't very clear. Is how you measure the speed of an object is influenced by the speed of the observer. Ie if your on a train moving east at 100 km per hour and look at a car moving at the same speed and direction. The car will appear to not be moving.

So the speed is additive and subtractive compared to your momentum and direction.
The speed of the object itself isn't influenced but how you measure the speed relative to your motion is influenced.

However that's just a guess, if your dealing with relativistic apparent velocity then it gets more complicated.

Your going to need to clarify your question
 
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You still haven't said what you mean by "speed can be additive and subtractive, our motion influences speed", but you seem to have got it exactly backwards.

If you mean by that that we can only observe or measure speeds of other objects relative to our own, that goes back to Galileo (and what is called "Gallilean relativity" as opposed to "Einsteinian relativity"). Gallileo said that if A observes B moving at velocity v (i.e B's velocity relative to A) and B observes C moving at velocity u (i.e C's velocity relative to B) then A will observe C moving at velocity v+ u (i.e. C's velocity relative to A).

In special relativity, while those speeds will change with respect to change of reference, they are not "additive". In the scenario above, A will observe C's velocity (C's velocity relative to A) to be [tex]\frac{u+ v}{1+ \frac{uv}{c^2}}[/tex]
 

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