Understanding Spin States of Particles with Spin-1 and Spin-1/2

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The discussion revolves around understanding the spin states of particles, specifically focusing on the total spin and angular momentum of systems involving spin-1 and spin-1/2 particles. Participants explore theoretical concepts related to quantum mechanics, including the addition of angular momentum and the implications of different spin states.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the total spin state of a system with a spin-1 particle and a spin-1/2 particle, questioning why the total spin is stated as 3/2 without considering other possible values.
  • Another participant reminds that the total spin must satisfy the condition $$s_{tot} \geq m$$, indicating that certain combinations of total spin and magnetic quantum number may not be valid.
  • A participant acknowledges the clarification about the spin condition and expresses frustration that the original source did not state it clearly.
  • Another participant poses a question about the total angular momentum of a meson composed of two spin-1/2 particles and seeks clarification on how to derive possible values of total angular momentum given specific orbital angular momentum.
  • A later reply discusses the vector addition of angular momentum, explaining how different configurations of the spins and orbital angular momentum can yield various total angular momentum values, while also noting the quantization rules that restrict the possible values of J.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of the condition $$s_{tot} \geq m$$, but there remains some confusion regarding the application of this rule and the derivation of total angular momentum values in specific scenarios. The discussion includes multiple viewpoints and interpretations, indicating that some aspects remain unresolved.

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Participants highlight the need for a clearer understanding of the rules governing angular momentum addition and the quantization of spin states, suggesting that existing resources may not adequately cover these concepts.

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Ok, so for some reason this section of the GRE book makes 0 sense to me ... maybe because i haven't taken the class yet, maybe I'm missing something ...
It says "If you have a spin-1 particle with m = +1 and a spin-1/2 particle with m = +1/2, then m_tot = +3/2 (this part makes sense, you just add them), and the system must be in the state with s_tot = 3/2"

why is s_tot just 3/2? I thought the possible spin states of the system are s1+s2, s1-s2, and everything in-between in intervals of 1, so 3/2 and 1/2 ...
i don't get it ... it even says here "We can get any spin between |s-s'| and s+s'. "

and the next part says "On the other hand, if the spin-1/2 particle had m=-1/2, then m_tot = +1/2 and either s_tot = 3/2, or s_tot = 1/2 are allowed"

so i guess 1-(-1/2)=3/2, 1+(-1/2) = 1/2
but isn't the first part also 1-1/2=1/2, 1+1/2 = 3/2
?

so confused :rolleyes:
 
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Watch out - remember that in general the spin must satisfy $$s_{tot} \geq m.$$

So you can have m = 1/2 and s = 3/2 or 1/2, but the m = 3/2, s = 1/2 violates the rule above. Recall that m is like a component of the vector with magnitude s, and a single component of a vector is always smaller than the magnitude.
 
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king vitamin said:
Watch out - remember that in general the spin must satisfy $$s_{tot} \geq m.$$

So you can have m = 1/2 and s = 3/2 or 1/2, but the m = 3/2, s = 1/2 violates the rule above. Recall that m is like a component of the vector with magnitude s, and a single component of a vector is always smaller than the magnitude.

oooooh, geez, I wish the book would've stated that explicitly = -______- =
thank you!
 
how about this one?

"A meson is a bound state of a quark and an antiquark, both with spin 1/2. Which of the following is a possible value of total angular momentum j for a meson with orbital angular momentum l=2?"

I've got the formula J=L+S. And I guess we can add or subtract the spins for a total s=0,1. But then it says:
"Adding l=2 to s=0 gives only j=2, and adding l=2 to s=1 gives j=3,2,1"
How did they get the 3,2,1?
 
Hmm, I think you should consider getting a book or finding some online notes about this if it's mostly new to you.

The key is to understand that S, L and J are magnitudes of vectors related by

$$ \vec{S} + \vec{L} = \vec{J} $$

Now think about vector addition. It's completely possible to add two vectors with magnitude S=1 and L=2 to get the magnitude of J to be 3; the two vectors S and L must be parallel. Correspondingly, it's possible to add the two vectors to get 1; the vectors must simply be antiparallel. Finally, by playing with angles, you can make the magnitude of J be any number between 1 and 3.

But then there's quantum mechanics. Angular momentum must be quantized according to a set of rules, and in the above case, only the intermediate value J=2 is allowed. If you aren't familiar with the rules, it'll be easy to get stumped on some of these problems. In this case, the rule is that J must take the quantized values |L-S|, |L-S|+1, |L-S|+2, ..., L+S.
 

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