Understanding the Chain Rule in Multivariable Calculus

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The discussion revolves around the application of the chain rule in multivariable calculus, specifically in the context of partial derivatives involving functions defined in terms of other variables.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the computation of partial derivatives dz/dx and dz/dt for the function z = x^y + x, where x and y are expressed in terms of other variables. There are attempts to clarify the correct application of the chain rule and the proper substitution of variables.

Discussion Status

Some participants express confusion regarding the correctness of their calculations and the necessity of substituting values after deriving expressions. There is a recognition of the right approach, but also a questioning of specific terms and their origins in the derivatives.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that this is their first encounter with the chain rule, and there is a mention of a lack of provided answers from the professor, which contributes to their uncertainty. Additionally, there are references to formatting issues with LaTeX that affect clarity in communication.

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Homework Statement
Question: FIND ##\frac{\partial z}{\partial x}, \frac{\partial z}{\partial t}##

Given

##z= x^{y}##

##x =\sqrt{s+t}##

##y=ts^{2}##
Relevant Equations
##\frac{\partial z}{\partial t} =\frac{\partial z}{\partial x}\frac{\partial x}{\partial t}+\frac{\partial z}{\partial y}\frac{\partial y}{\partial t}##
Solution:
##\frac{\partial z}{\partial x} = yx^{y -1}+1##

##\frac{\partial z}{\partial t} =\frac{\partial z}{\partial x}\frac{\partial x}{\partial t}+\frac{\partial z}{\partial y}\frac{\partial y}{\partial t}##
##\frac{\partial z}{\partial t} = (\frac{yx^{y-1} + 1}{2\sqrt{s+t}}) + x^{y}\ln{(y)}s^{2}##

This is my first time doing the chain rule and my professor doesn't give us the answers for questions. So I'm here to ask you guys if I did this correct. I'm very confused was I supposed to input the values given after completion or not?

Thanks
 
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Physics345 said:
Question: dz/dx, dz/dt where z = x^y + x x =sqrt(s+t) y=ts^2

dz/dx = yx^y + 1

dz/dt = dz/dx * dx/dt + dz/dy * dy/dt

dz/dt = (yx^(y-1) + 1)*(1/(2sqrt(s+t)) + ((x^y)ln(y))*(s^2)

= yx^(y-1)/(2sqrt(s+t)) +2sqrt(s+t) + ln(y)*(sx^y)

This is my first time doing the chain rule and my professor doesn't give us the answers for questions. So I'm here to ask you guys if I did this correct. I'm very confused was I supposed to input the values given after completion or not?

Thanks

You should learn a bit of Latex:

https://www.physicsforums.com/help/latexhelp/
I find it almost impossible to parse what you've written but you have the right idea.​
 
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PeroK said:
You should learn a bit of Latex:

https://www.physicsforums.com/help/latexhelp/
I find it almost impossible to parse what you've written but you have the right idea.​
Thanks, I have bookmarked it. Give me a moment to apply the latex.
 
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Physics345 said:
Question: dz/dx, dz/dt where z = x^y + x x =sqrt(s+t) y=ts^2

dz/dx = yx^y + 1

dz/dt = dz/dx * dx/dt + dz/dy * dy/dt

dz/dt = (yx^(y-1) + 1)*(1/(2sqrt(s+t)) + ((x^y)ln(y))*(s^2)

= yx^(y-1)/(2sqrt(s+t)) +2sqrt(s+t) + ln(y)*(sx^y)

This is my first time doing the chain rule and my professor doesn't give us the answers for questions. So I'm here to ask you guys if I did this correct. I'm very confused was I supposed to input the values given after completion or not?

Thanks

To give you start with Latex:

##\frac{\partial z}{\partial t} = (yx^{y-1} + 1)(\frac{1}{2\sqrt{s+t}}) + \dots##

If you reply to this, you can pick up my Latex to edit or cut and paste.
 
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PeroK said:
To give you start with Latex:

##\frac{\partial z}{\partial t} = (yx^{y-1} + 1)(\frac{1}{2\sqrt{s+t}}) + \dots##

If you reply to this, you can pick up my Latex to edit or cut and paste.
Done thanks a lot.
 
Physics345 said:
Done thanks a lot.

For your final answer, you should replace ##x, y## with the relevant functions of ##s, t##. Also, you have ##\ln y## instead of ##\ln x##.

You've definitely got the right approach.
 
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Physics345 said:
Solution:
##\frac{\partial z}{\partial x} = yx^{y -1}+1##
That doesn't look right to me.

Where does the 1 come from and why are you adding it?
 
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SammyS said:
That doesn't look right to me.

Where does the 1 come from and why are you adding it?
Oh, I just realized that. I must have added it as I was applying the latex.
 
PeroK said:
For your final answer, you should replace ##x, y## with the relevant functions of ##s, t##. Also, you have ##\ln y## instead of ##\ln x##.

You've definitely got the right approach.
Another typo. I wish I saw your message earlier. I had my exam today and did not substitute the values.
 
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Either way, the concept was simple. I will come back again when I'm confused.

Thanks, Everyone & Best Wishes,

Physics345
 

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