Understanding Vector Magnitude and Direction in Mechanics

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The discussion revolves around understanding vector magnitude and direction in mechanics, specifically focusing on a problem from Klippner's text regarding the relationship between vectors A(t) and A(t + Δt) and the angle Δθ between them.

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the derivation of the equation |ΔA| = 2A sin(Δθ/2) and the meaning of the angle Δθ. Some participants suggest that Δθ represents the angle between the two vectors A(t) and A(t + Δt), while others provide geometric interpretations involving isosceles triangles and trigonometric identities.

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Participants are exploring various interpretations of the problem, with some providing mathematical derivations and others discussing geometric representations. There is no explicit consensus, but several lines of reasoning are being examined.

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The original poster notes difficulty in locating a specific sketch in the book that is referenced in the problem statement, which may be contributing to the confusion regarding the angle Δθ.

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my question is from klppner's text an introduction to mechanics, on page 26, they suppose a vector A(t) has a constant magnitude A, he states that the direction dA(t)/dt is always perpendicular to A(t), now they define [tex]\triangle A=A(t+\triangle t)-A(t)[/tex], he states that [tex]|\triangle A|=2Asin(\frac{\triangle\theta}{2})[/tex] i don't understand how did they arrive at the last equation, and don't understand which angle does he refer to. he states that it's defined in a sketch in the book but i can't find where does he state this?

thanks in advance.
 
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I don't have the book with me now, but I think [tex]\Delta\theta[/tex] is the angle between the [tex]A(t)[/tex] and [tex]A(t+\Delta t)[/tex]. The equation becomes more accurate as the angle becomes smaller.
 
[itex]\Delta \theta[/itex] is the angle between[itex]A(t+\triangle t)[/itex] and A(t). Since both vectors are of magnitude A, the law of cosines gives

[tex]\Delta A^2 = A^2+A^2-2AAcos(\Delta \theta)[/tex]

And [itex]cos(2x) = 1 - 2sin^2(x)[/itex], so...
 
Ok, Draw a vector for A(t), and then draw another for [tex]A(t+\triangle t)[/tex] with the same length and starting from the same point in space. The angle [tex]\triangle\theta[/tex] is acute angle between these two vectors and [tex]\triangle A[/tex] is the vector that forms the third side of the isosceles triangle having A(t) and [tex]A(t+\triangle t)[/tex] for sides (and it terminates in the same place [tex]A(t+\triangle t)[/tex] does). Construct the altitude of this triangle and consider one of the resulting identical right triangles with one leg being the altitude, one leg is of length [tex]\frac{1}{2}\left| \triangle A\right|[/tex], and the hypotenuse is of length A. Use trig.
 
[tex]|\Delta A| = \sqrt{(A(t+\Delta t)-A(t))\cdot(A(t+\Delta t)-A(t))}[/tex]

[tex]= \sqrt{|A(t+\Delta t)|^2 - 2A(t+\Delta t)\cdot A(t) + |A(t)|^2}<br /> = \sqrt{A^2 - 2A^2\cos {\Delta \theta} + A^2}[/tex]

[tex]= \sqrt{2A^2 - 2A^2\cos{\Delta \theta}} = \sqrt{2}A\sqrt{1-\cos{\Delta \theta}}.[/tex]

Now use the identity [itex]\sin^2{\phi} = \frac{1}{2}(1-\cos{2\phi})[/itex] to change that into

[tex]\sqrt{2}A\sqrt{2\sin^2{\frac{\Delta \theta}{2}}}[/tex]

[tex]= 2A\sin \frac{\Delta \theta}{2}.[/tex]

Here, [itex]\Delta \theta[/itex] is the angle between [itex]A(t+\Delta t)[/itex] and [itex]A(t)[/itex] and [itex]A[/itex] is the (constant) magnitude of the vector function.
 
thank you for your help.
 
by the way, neutrino, you haven't bought the booog, have you?
ive seen in amazon that it's quite coasts a lot.
 
loop quantum gravity said:
by the way, neutrino, you haven't bought the booog, have you?
ive seen in amazon that it's quite coasts a lot.
What's that? Some new variant for the word book?
 
no just big funny typing error.
 

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