Uniformly accelerated motion under gravity

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The discussion revolves around uniformly accelerated motion under gravity, specifically addressing the ratios of distances traveled by a body in free fall and the velocity at the last second of its motion. Participants explore the validity of certain claims made in textbooks regarding these concepts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant claims that a body in uniformly accelerated motion travels distances in the ratio of 1:3:5 and reaches a velocity of 5 m/s in the last second.
  • Another participant questions the credibility of this claim, asking for specific references from textbooks that support it.
  • It is noted by some that the actual distances traveled during the first three seconds of free fall are 5 m, 15 m, and 25 m, with a speed gain of 10 m/s each second.
  • Concerns are raised about the meaning of "speed at the last second," with one participant arguing that it is a flawed concept since speed increases during that second.
  • One participant mentions a specific textbook, the Aakash module, as a source for their claims, prompting requests for further clarification or evidence.
  • Another participant suggests that understanding motion under gravity should focus on continuous rates of change rather than discrete average speeds.
  • There is a discussion about the independence of mass in gravitational acceleration and how it affects the horizontal component of velocity during free fall.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the interpretation of velocity and distance in uniformly accelerated motion under gravity. No consensus is reached on the validity of the claims made about the velocity at the last second or the ratios of distances traveled.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the need for specific references to support claims made about textbook explanations, indicating a potential limitation in the discussion's foundation. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of kinematic principles related to gravity.

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Uniformly accelerated motion under gravity:- I have been taught that when a body accelerates, it travels on ratio of 1:3:5... so on. I have also been taught that at the last second, anybody in the world will travel with the velocity of 5 m/s.
Why is that so?
Why I should believe on some axiom.
 
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Hello Vivan, :welcome:
Vivan Vatsa said:
I have been taught that when a body accelerates, it travels on ratio of 1:3:5... so on
This sounds very unbelievable to me. Can you specify where you picked this up and how exactly it was formulated ?
 
It is written in many textbooks I have referred. Every where it is explained in the same way. It tells that though respective of how much the body travelled, it will travel with a velocity of 5 m/s in the last second.
I don't understand why is that so...?
 
You did not referred any. Give at least one example, with title, author, page. This is what it means to give a reference.

The distances traveled during each of the first three seconds (for a body falling from rest) are indeed in the ratio 1:3:5. Their actual values are 5 m, 15m amd 25 m (taking g=10 m/s).

The speed gained during each second, including the last second, is 10 m/s.

But the speed "at the last second" is meaningless so it does not even make sense to argue if it's 5m/s or not.During the last second, as during any other second, the speed increases, by 10 m/s. So at the beginning of the last second the speed has one value and at the end another value.

The closest you can come to your flawed statement may be that the average speed during the first second is 5m/s. Maybe you have a closer look at these textbooks.
 
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Vivan Vatsa said:
It is written in many textbooks I have referred. Every where it is explained in the same way. It tells that though respective of how much the body travelled, it will travel with a velocity of 5 m/s in the last second.
I don't understand why is that so...?
Since this is not true, I highly doubt that it is written in many textbooks. I, like nasu, would like to see the actual reference you are basing this on.
 
Ok @nasu thanks for your help.
I think that's the only way possible to understand.
The book is Aakash module(Target 1).
Well thanks for your explanation. I will think over it &I ask some more doubts.
 
It seems it is a textbook used in India.
Maybe you can post an image of the page where you think it says what you think it says. :)
 
Vivan Vatsa said:
It is written in many textbooks I have referred. Every where it is explained in the same way. It tells that though respective of how much the body travelled, it will travel with a velocity of 5 m/s in the last second.
I don't understand why is that so...?

If you throw something straight up (assuming you throw it fast enough so that it travels upwards for more than a second), then:

In the last second before it reaches its highest point it will travel ##5m## (hence have an average speed of ##5m/s## during this second); and, in the first second of its descent it will also travel ##5m##, with the same average speed during that second.

Quite what the significance of this might be is anyone's guess! Really you should be thinking about motion under gravity as a velocity under a continuous rate of change; not as a sequence of discrete average speeds.
 
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PeroK said:
If you throw something straight up (assuming you throw it fast enough so that it travels upwards for more than a second), then:

In the last second before it reaches its highest point it will travel ##5m## (hence have an average speed of ##5m/s## during this second); and, in the first second of its descent it will also travel ##5m##, with the same average speed during that second.

Quite what the significance of this might be is anyone's guess! Really you should be thinking about motion under gravity as a velocity under a continuous rate of change; not as a sequence of discrete average speeds.
Yeah but mainly UNIFORMLY ACCELERATED MOTION UNDER GRAVITY is a game of continuous rate of change working under gravity, Right?
If that is true then I should conclude that motion under gravity is a relation of velocity with respect to time working under a constant(known as Gravity).
 
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Vivan Vatsa said:
Yeah but mainly UNIFORMLY ACCELERATED MOTION UNDER GRAVITY is a game of continuous rate of change working under gravity, Right?
If that is true then I should conclude that motion under gravity is a relation of velocity with respect to time working under a constant(known as Gravity).

Gravity near the Earth's surface is an example of uniform acceleration. The point of kinematics is that, whatever the cause of the uniform acceleration, the same kinematics principles, equations and solutions apply.

What's special about gravity is that the acceleration is independent of the mass of the object, so that for all objects in freefall near the Earth's surface:

##\frac{dv_y}{dt} = g##

Where ##v_y## is the vertical component of the velocity of an object. One reason the ##5m/s## "rule" makes no sense is that gravity does not affect the horizontal component of velocity, which remains constant during freefall.
 
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