Unit Basis Components of a Vector in Tensorial Expressions?

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The discussion revolves around the divergence formula in the context of vector components expressed in a unit basis within tensorial expressions. Participants are examining the relationships between different representations of vector components and their implications in various coordinate systems.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the expression of vector components in terms of unit basis and question the correctness of the original author's formula. There is discussion about the relationships between physical components and normalized basis components, as well as the implications of using scale factors in divergence calculations.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and questioning the clarity of the original formula presented by the author. Some participants express agreement on the confusion surrounding the formula, while others suggest alternative expressions that may be more accurate or clearer.

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There are references to specific coordinate systems, such as orthogonal coordinates and spherical/cylindrical coordinates, which may influence the interpretation of the divergence formula. The discussion also touches on the use of scale factors and their relevance in the context of the problem.

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Vanderlinde, Classical Electromagnetic Theory
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Divergence formula

$$\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{A}= \frac{1}{\sqrt{G}} \frac{\partial}{\partial q^{j}} (A^{j} \sqrt{G})$$

If we express it in terms of the components of ##\vec{A}## in unit basis using

$$A^{*j} = \sqrt{g^{jj}} A^{j}$$

, we get $$\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{A}= \frac{1}{\sqrt{G}} \frac{\partial}{\partial q^{j}} (A^{*j} \sqrt{g^{jj} G})$$

However, did the author intend
$$A^{j} = \sqrt{g^{jj}} A^{*j}$$

(quick check: with this one can directly substitute to get the correct divergence formula)? Because
$$\vec{A} = A^{j} \vec{e}_j = A^{*j} \hat{e}_j = A^{*j} \frac{1}{\sqrt{g_{jj}}} \sqrt{g_{jj}} \hat{e}_j = A^{*j} \sqrt{g^{jj}} \, \vec{e}_j$$

, since $$\vec{e}^{i} \cdot \vec{e}_{i} = \hat{e}^{i} \cdot \hat{e}_{i} \sqrt{g^{ii}g_{ii}} = \sqrt{g^{ii}g_{ii}} = 1$$
 
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Let ##q^i## be orthogonal co-ordinates and let the scale factors in the holonomic basis be ##h_i \equiv \sqrt{\boldsymbol{e}_i \cdot \boldsymbol{e}_i} = \sqrt{g_{ii}}## (no sum). Then ##\boldsymbol{e}_i = h_i \hat{\boldsymbol{e}}_i## (no sum) and
\begin{align*}
\boldsymbol{A} = \sum_i A^i \boldsymbol{e}_i = \sum_i A^i h_i \hat{\boldsymbol{e}}_i \equiv \sum_i {A^*}^i \hat{\boldsymbol{e}}_i
\end{align*}from which one identifies the physical components in the normalised basis as ##{A^*}^i = h_i A^i## (no sum), which is as you wrote. The divergence formula:\begin{align*}
\nabla \cdot \boldsymbol{A} = \sum_i \nabla_i A^i &= \sum_i \frac{1}{\sqrt{|g|}} \frac{\partial}{\partial q^{i}} \left(A^{i} \sqrt{|g|} \right) \\
&= \sum_i \frac{1}{\sqrt{|g|}} \frac{\partial}{\partial q^{i}} \left( \frac{1}{h_i} {A^*}^i \sqrt{|g|} \right)
\end{align*}And of course ##h_i = \sqrt{g_{ii}} = 1/\sqrt{g^{ii}}## (no sum).
 
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##{A^*}^i = h_i A^i = \sqrt{g_{ii}} A^{i}## So would you agree that the formula the author gave, ##A^{*j} = \sqrt{g^{jj}} A^{j} ## is... at best... confusing?
 
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yucheng said:
So would you agree that the formula the author gave, ##A^{*j} = \sqrt{g^{jj}} A^{j} ## is... at best... confusing?
I agree with you that it is wrong! It should, of course, be ##A^{*j} = \sqrt{g_{jj}} A^{j} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{g^{jj}}} A^j## (no sum).
 
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ergospherical said:
And of course hi=gii=1/gii (no sum), but I'm not sure why you'd want to start re-writing it in this form. Writing it in terms of the scale factors is simplest, no?
Because I am trying to compute the divergence of functions, and since most functions we have are given in spherical/cylindrical coordinates, they are usually expressed in terms of the unit vectors... So the original formula does not work...
 
The quantities ##h_i = \sqrt{g_{ii}}## are usually called the scale factors of the co-ordinates.
 
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