Unit conversion problem for the electron thermal conductivity

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The discussion revolves around the conversion of electron thermal conductivity from CGS units to SI units, particularly in the context of plasma physics. Participants explore the formulation of the thermal conductivity and the challenges faced in unit conversion.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the expression for electron thermal conductivity in CGS units and seeks assistance with converting it to SI units, noting difficulties in achieving the expected dimensions.
  • Another participant suggests an alternative expression for thermal conductivity in SI units, incorporating Boltzmann's constant, and assumes that the transport coefficient is dimensionless.
  • A subsequent participant requests clarification on the derivation of the alternative expression and inquires about direct conversion methods between unit systems.
  • One participant provides a reference to a source that discusses thermal conductivity in SI units and mentions a section that may aid in understanding unit conversion.
  • A later reply indicates that the original thermal conductivity expression relates to energy in the heat flux equation, leading to a realization about the correct interpretation of temperature in the context of the equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct formulation of thermal conductivity in SI units and the challenges of unit conversion. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to achieve accurate unit conversion.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions made in the conversion process and the definitions of terms used in the expressions. The relationship between energy and temperature in the context of thermal conductivity is also a point of contention.

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Hello.

In CGS unit electron thermal conductivity for plasma is expressed as \frac{n_{e}T_{e}}{m_{e}\upsilon_{e}}\Gamma_{1} [1] where \Gamma_{1} is the dimensionless transport coefficient. [2]
You can also find similar expression in http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/plasma/lectures/node35.html

n_{e}: electron number density in cm^{-3}.
T_{e}: electron temperature in erg.
m_{e}: electron mass in g (gram).
\upsilon_{e}: electron-ion collision frequency.

Experimentally, SI unit is useful and I've tried to convert unit of the formula to Si unit of Wm^{-1}K^{-1} but failed.

I directly replaced erg by gcm^{2}/s^{2}(= erg) and arranged dimensions in the formula. The results is cm^{-1}s^{-1}.

This appears far from what is supposed to be in SI unit.

Could you help me to figure out what I was wrong in conversion?

Thanks for reading this thread.

Reference
  • A. Esaulov, P. Sasorov, L. Soto, M. Zambra, and J. Sakai, "MHD simulation of a fast hollow cathode capillary discharge",
    Plasma Phys. Control. Fusion 43, 571 (2001).
  • E.M. Epperlein and M.G. Haines, "Plasma transport coefficients in a magnetic field by direct numerical solution of the Fokker-Pianck equation", Phys. Fluids 29, 1029 (1986).
 
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goodphy said:
Hello.

In CGS unit electron thermal conductivity for plasma is expressed as \frac{n_{e}T_{e}}{m_{e}\upsilon_{e}}\Gamma_{1} [1] where \Gamma_{1} is the dimensionless transport coefficient. [2]

I think that in SI it should be
\frac{n_{e} k_B^2 T_{e}}{m_{e}\upsilon_{e}}\Gamma_{1}

Assuming that indeed gamma is dimensionless.
 
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Thanks for replying my question.

I just wonder how you get this expression? Could you provide me the reference with which you come up with that?

And is there any way to directly convert CGS unit to SI unit in this case? I at least think that the expression of the physics must be useful nomatter what unit system is used..
 
The formula for thermal conductivity in a plasma is derived (in SI units) here:
http://www.pma.caltech.edu/Courses/ph136/yr2004/0419.1.K.pdf

See section 19.5.

Also see note 2, at the beginning, for how to convert from SI to gaussian units ... the opposite of your situation, but may be enlightening.
 
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Oh, thanks everybody! I finally got the answer! I'm so happy!

The thermal conductivity in my question is actually the one used when the temperature in the heat flux equation (Fourier's law) q=k\nabla T (q is local heat flux (W/m^{2} unit)) is actually in energy, k_{B}T(T is temperature in Kelvin at this moment.).

When the equation is with true temperature, not energy, the conductivity in the equation becomes k_{B}k.

Dimension check confirmed.
 

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