University Subjects At Middle School

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The discussion centers around the appropriateness of middle school students taking college courses, sparked by a program in Hayward, California. Participants debate whether this indicates lowered academic standards in colleges or if it reflects an underestimation of middle school students' capabilities. Some argue that middle schoolers may not be emotionally or mentally ready for college-level work, while others suggest that the courses offered are tailored to their abilities. Concerns are raised about the quality of AP and IB programs, with critiques on how they may not adequately prepare students for college-level rigor. The conversation also touches on the increasing reluctance of universities to accept AP credits due to poor performance in subsequent courses, indicating a potential disconnect between high school coursework and college readiness. Overall, the thread highlights a need for reevaluation of educational standards and the effectiveness of early college credit programs.
  • #31
symbolipoint said:
The result was that after graduation, I still needed to start my course work in college AT Algebra 1 (which was there called, "Elementary Algebra"). Still, doing these same or very similar courses in college insured very good success in these courses.

Interesting approach. What I personally am attracted to is what they do at Harvey Mudd where to be admitted you must do a year of calculus. But they then go through it again at a more advanced level. Its not quite analysis, but you do things like rigorously defining logarithms and exponential's then deriving their properties - things that you do not see at HS (although it could be done, and IMHO should be taught - I well remember being uneasy about this stuff at HS - only with a rigerous treatment did the unease fade). But I am a heretic about teaching things like the trigonometry identities - it should be integrated with calculus - it so easy to prove from Euler's relation the usual methods make me wince a bit. Those that have thought about it may wonder how you prove the differentiation rules of sine and cos without it. If you are interested start another thread and I will explain it - it can be found in that interesting book Calculus Lite.

Thanks
Bill
 
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  • #32
Vanadium 50 said:
They would probably say "lifelong learning" rather than "remedial", but yes, if you are an adult and want to learn about fractions, that's where you would go. A nearby community college offers an even lower class "arithmetic of whole numbers", but it's not for college credit. I think college credit starts around trig.
Yes, and statistics.
 
  • #33
MidgetDwarf said:
Yes, and statistics.
Yes, including that.
The college level courses for the start are these:
Statistics (elementary or introductory), Trigonometry, College Algebra, "Elementary Functions"(or may be called Pre-Calculus).
 
  • #34
It depends on the college. The college in question gives college credit for fractions.

It would be interesting to see which colleges would accept what for transfer credit.
 
  • #35
Vanadium 50 said:
It depends on the college. The college in question gives college credit for fractions.

It would be interesting to see which colleges would accept what for transfer credit.
My understanding is although a college student may earn credit for a remedial course ("fractions", or Basic Arithmetic), it is not counted as transferrable credit for any college (UNIVERSITY level or even A.A.) credit. Yes, the c.c.'s offer remedial Math courses, but they are not college-level. Tell us about any finer points on this.
 
  • #36
That would be what I would hope happens. But I am not sure if, for example, any CC in a state must accept for credit work done at any CC in that state.
 

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